153 stroker?

crisbeis

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Hello,

Does anyone know if the crank, rods, and pistons from a 181 will fit in a 153 block? Are the two blocks the same (except for the bore)? I might rebuild my old 1967 Mercruiser 120 and hope to get a little more power out of it.

Thanks,
Chris
 

79Glastron

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Re: 153 stroker?

Your are probably better off finding a good 181 motor and get the added 20hp.
 

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Ayuh,.... Sounds like a Rediculous Idea, with No pay back....
 

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All but the pistons will fit as they are for a larger bore. You could even bore the block for the pistons BUT you might run into the "casting shifting issues" that were common at the time your block was cast (cylinder walls cracking because they were to thin on one side). Getting a 3.0L (181cu.in.) from a later year would be the best way to go. :)
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

Thanks for the replies.

I guess I'll decide what to do once I pull the engine and see what I have to work with. I noticed that Comp Cams makes a 260H cam kit for this engine so I may just do some light porting on the head and install some new valve springs + rebuild. Still I feel that the 181 crank "might" work and might give me a nice little power increase over the stock 120. I believe the new cam and valve springs + mild porting may allow me to turn a higher rpm and still have reasonable longevity to the engine. Why am I considering this....Because I can...I enjoy hopping up engines and I feel that I can boost the 120 without changing manifolds, linkages, outdrive gearing, and will have a fresh engine for around the same price as I would pay for a questionable used engine.

Again thanks for the replies,
Chris
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

I noticed that Comp Cams makes a 260H cam kit for this engine

Ayuh,..... I Gotta Ask,...... Where did you find This Info,..??..??

Wait,.... Let me Guess,......
I bet it's a listing for a Cam for a 2.5l Chevy Automobile engine,.....

Am I Right,..??

If So,..... Forget it,.....
The 2.5l used in Boats is a Totally Different Casting/ Motor.......
Nothing at All in Common......
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

I've gotta go with Bondo on this one. I enjoying messing with engines in my cars as much as the next guy. But...

I believe the new cam and valve springs + mild porting may allow me to turn a higher rpm

What you need to understand with boats is that you are limited on the rpm side of things. The outdrive can only take so much. Stick with what you've got, or find a 3 liter.
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

And, I believe that when the stroke is changed, new pistons with the wrist pins lowered are in order.
 

wca_tim

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um.. wel... considering that the machine work on building a stroker engine are as much as a cheap new longblock.... isn't this kind of an exercise in futility?

or akin to strokin the engine on a scooter to get another 1.5 mph closer to the intown speed limit?

please don't get offended, my sewing machine would probably have a cam in it if I knew where to order one, it's just one of them things i would kinda keep to myself.... :redface:

and lastly... wouldn't it be cheaper and more reliable in the long run to just go ahead and go with (at least) a couple more cylinders from the get-go? you know that you're gonna want more... horsepower is like a lot of things in life...

too much never seems like enough....
 

crisbeis

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Re: 153 stroker?

Ayuh,..... I Gotta Ask,...... Where did you find This Info,..??..??

Wait,.... Let me Guess,......
I bet it's a listing for a Cam for a 2.5l Chevy Automobile engine,.....

Am I Right,..??

If So,..... Forget it,.....
The 2.5l used in Boats is a Totally Different Casting/ Motor.......
Nothing at All in Common......

Wow Bond-o, It looks like you are right and thank you for setting me straight. :confused:

Anyway, It looks like the 181 cam has a little more lift than the 153 so I will probably use that cam. I see that the 181 is rated to turn higher RPMs than the 151. I am not looking for a +5000 RPM engine I just want to get a little more out of what I already have since I plan on rebuilding. If it turns out that the block is the same and is able to be used, hopefully would be correct to assume that the pistons, crank and rods from the 181 will fit and work.

I know, I should just throw in a 140 but this seems like an interesting project for me.

Again thanks for the replies,
Chris
 

crisbeis

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Re: 153 stroker?

um.. wel... considering that the machine work on building a stroker engine are as much as a cheap new longblock.... isn't this kind of an exercise in futility?

or akin to strokin the engine on a scooter to get another 1.5 mph closer to the intown speed limit?

please don't get offended, my sewing machine would probably have a cam in it if I knew where to order one, it's just one of them things i would kinda keep to myself.... :redface:

and lastly... wouldn't it be cheaper and more reliable in the long run to just go ahead and go with (at least) a couple more cylinders from the get-go? you know that you're gonna want more... horsepower is like a lot of things in life...

too much never seems like enough....

Absolutely no offense taken....I may be looking at this in the wrong way but it seems like I am basically just changing a 120 to a 140. The only reason why I am calling it a 120 Stroker is because I'll be using the 140 crank which has a longer stroke. I would switch to a larger HP engine but I am trying to avoid changing gears in the outdrive. Also I have cheap access to a machine shop. :)

Chris
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

Why not look for a rebuildable 140? Your going to need the entire rotating assembly (crank, pistons, rods) out of the 140 anyway and it would make more sense to punch a 140 block to .030 over than to hog out a 120 to 4.000 to put in stock 140 pistons (if it can be bored that much), then buy a $2-300 140 crank kit (2.00 or 2.10 rod journals?), and the source rods. I'm rebuilding a 140 right now and the rotating assembly looks to be balanced by Mercruiser since the crank has lots of grinding marks on it, replacing the pistons shouldn't affect the balance that much, but if your piecing an engine together you need to have it balanced for optimal performance, another $150-200.

At a minimum I would look at building a 140 shortblock and use your massaged 120 head and manifold (I'm pretty sure the 120 head and manifold are different than the 140). Heck, after you do all that expensive machine work and buy expensive 140 internals, you going to end up with a ,,,,, 140, makes sense to start with a 140 from the beginning.

What ever you do, look at building maximum torque, that's where it counts in a boat engine.
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

If it turns out that the block is the same and is able to be used, hopefully would be correct to assume that the pistons, crank and rods from the 181 will fit and work.

Ayuh,..... That's the Problem,..... They're Not.....

The 153 block can Not be bored to 4",.... You'll hit Water, Long before that....
Basically, You ca go .030 over without issues,.... .060 with a little Luck will work,....
Anymore than the .060,+ you'll either end up with Paper Thin cylinder walls,...
Or you'll be Deep into the Water Jacket......

If you want a 181cid,..... Buy a rebuildable Core,+ Go for It.....
As it stands,.... You're headed for Disaster the way you're goin'....
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

couple the bore size with the fact the cranks are so different and your looking at an exercise in futility.
the 153 used a crank pulley the 181 used a harmonic balancer.
you most likly will never get that block assy to stay together for extended runs at 5000 RPM. the mains wont take it.
 

crisbeis

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Re: 153 stroker?

I think that I have let this post meander a bit and Bond-o has answered the second question in my OP. It seems to be popular opinion that there were two seperate blocks one for the 153 and one for the 181. Since the cylinder walls will be too thin to bore to 181 specs there would be no reason to even try. I wonder why GM would make two seperate castings for basically the same engine with just a different bore. I guess I'll just massage the 120 or consider throwing a 140 in the old Starchief.

Thanks everyone,
Chris
 

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Re: 153 stroker?

wonder why GM would make two seperate castings for basically the same engine with just a different bore.

Ayuh,....

I gotta believe it's for the Same reasons as GM does the same thing with all their other Blocks,+ Heads,....
It probably has to do with the Millions of Tons of Cast Iron they Save........
Basically,....
GM's small motors, up thru the SBCs, are borable to a Max of .060.....Usually....
The BBCs will usually take .125......
After that,.... Water is imminent........;)
 
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