Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

Theoutdoorsman

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Because there are so many variations of these fuel pumps still being used in outboards across the globe, and so little documentation available for rebuilding them, I thought I'd throw this out there to help someone else who might be in need of rebuilding their own. The OEM parts manuals and OEM service manuals do not list an exploded diagram, to use as a visual reference, when disassembling and reassembling these pumps. A special thank you goes out to "Garzaglass" for his help in clarifying the proper placement! At any rate this fuel pump (p/n: 388268) and kit (p/n: OMC 393103), is for a 1979 Evinrude 140 hp. However, I know that there are several different models, and various hp outboards (Johnson included), that used roughly the same fuel pump. Before we get started, be very careful when disassembling the pump so as to not loose the springs that are hidden within. Take things slow and keep a watchful eye out just in case a spring should decide to come out unexpededly and fall to the floor. They are somewhat small, and will be difficult to find if one should jump out. Too, the kit will likely not come with a replacement. With that said, on to the pump. I'm simply not sure of all the various applications, but I'll list what I understand that this particular kit fits:

HP...................Year

9.9...............1981
15................1981
20................1977 - 1986
25................1977 - 1986
25................1982
30................1976 - 1986
35................1976 - 1986
40................1970 - 1978
50................1982 - 1984
55................1976 - 1978
55................1983-1984
60................1970 - 1971
60................1982 - 1984
65................1972 - 1973
65................1985 - 1987
70................1974 - 1978
70................1982 - 1984
75................1975 - 1978
75................1982 - 1984
85................1978 - 1983
90................1978 - 1983
115..............1978 - 1983
140..............1978 - 1983
150..............1982 - 1983
175..............1982 - 1983
200..............1982
235..............1983


I know that someone out there WILL find this extremely helpful in the correct placement of their newly purchased parts. It's the ONLY visual reference that I am aware of.


SPECIAL MENTION!: as per "HighTrim"

The parts must be in an exact position and in an exact relationship to the other corresponding parts. Once assembly is complete, test it by blowing through the pumps inlet very gently. You should be able to feel the air flow via the outlet. You should "NOT" be able to blow through the pump via blowing into the outlet. If the pump does not pass the "blow through" test, it will need to be disassembled, checked for errors, and reassembled correctly. Once the pump passes the "blow through" test, and is installed on the outboard, prime the bulb to ensure no leaks are present at the pump or any connections. If leak(s) are present, make absolutely certain they are corrected prior to test run.




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jbjennings

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Thanks outdoorsman! That was very handy, as I'm having to rebuild one for my uncle right now for a 9.9 johnson that is very similar. Good pics, too.:)
I'd like to see more threads like this. Especially with picture explanations.
Super job,
JBJ
 

JB

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Looks good to me, Alan.

Let's stick it for a while and get comments from other JohnnyRude guys.

Possible candidate for a FAQ.
 

HighTrim

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

Good Job on the layout of the pics, will prove to be useful Im sure.

Perhaps a zoomed out pic of all the contents of the rebuild kit, numbered, then a corresponding chart linking a number to a part.

Also possible to mention at the end to test it by being able to blow through the pump by blowing into inlet and that you should NOT be able to blow through the pump by blowing into outlet. Perhaps even labelling the inlet and outlet for those unfamiliar as well.

If the pump does not pass the "blow through" test, it will need to be disassembled and checked, although your diagrams flow in a very efficient manner. The parts must be in an exact position and in an exact relationship to the other corresponding parts.

They should then prime the bulb and ensure no leaks are present at the pump or any connections, remedying them before test run.

Once again, Im sure the pics you took along with the time you spent will aid many others in the future.
 

Theoutdoorsman

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Perhaps a zoomed out pic of all the contents of the rebuild kit, numbered, then a corresponding chart linking a number to a part.

As far as I am aware, HighTrim, there are no part numbers available for each individual item included in the kits. Only the kit numbers are present. Too, the seals can not be placed on the pump housing wrong. The holes will only line up correctly if placed on one particular way.


I have edited the post to reflect your suggestions. Take a look. Please verify your approval/disapproval.
 

garzaglass

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

now im wondering about mine. i havent put it on yet but i noticed im missing a spring that im seeing in your pics. the 2nd pic shows the top plastic piece with a spring under it. i do not have that. i was very carefull when dissasembling the pump but i guess it could have jumped away when i opened it. or ther is the option that mine just doesnt have that spring at the top, only the one in the middle. oh well I'll find out when i start the motor up soon. does anybody know what that top plastic piece is for? the middle one looks to be the main pump but not sure about the top one.
 

Benny1963

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

works for me fixing to do mine with my new power head
and mid sec rebuild yea.
thanks bennyb
 

wavrider

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

Great looking work, will be viewed hundreds of times over and a good reference thread, :)STICKY,

Thanks for taking the time and effort to document.
 

ezeke

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

You might want to review the manner in which LeeRoy Wisner has set up his article. It went through a lot of revision over the years, but it is well organized:

http://www.sschapterpsa.com/ramblings/Rebuilding_fuelpump.htm

The repair kit that fits this type of pump works on quite a few different fuel pumps, so you might want to consider mentioning which particular kit you used by part number and also list the pumps to which that kit could apply.
 

Theoutdoorsman

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

You might want to review the manner in which LeeRoy Wisner has set up his article. It went through a lot of revision over the years, but it is well organized:

http://www.sschapterpsa.com/ramblings/Rebuilding_fuelpump.htm

The repair kit that fits this type of pump works on quite a few different fuel pumps, so you might want to consider mentioning which particular kit you used by part number and also list the pumps to which that kit could apply.



The original message has been edited to reflect the changes you requested. Guess I should have done that in the first place. If you know of any other applications, let me know. Thanks again.......... ALAN
 

ezeke

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Some of the newer, large pumps could be serviced with Kit #438616.

I'll attach a diagram below for pump #5005462. This is a pump with three hose nipples, but otherwise it is very similar to the one that you are working on. Maybe you can use the diagram in your presentation.
 

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Theoutdoorsman

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

Some of the newer, large pumps could be serviced with Kit #438616.

I'll attach a diagram below for pump #5005462. This is a pump with three hose nipples, but otherwise it is very similar to the one that you are working on. Maybe you can use the diagram in your presentation.

I truely believe if this thread is made a permanent sticky for the FAQ's, I'd leave this post attached and maybe trim the rest up a bit. It really speaks for itself, in my opinion. It's definitely a nice addition for sure! I'm certain there's quite a few of those pumps still in use today as well. Nice.
 

garzaglass

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

hey ezeke, do you have the explination of that photo. something that says what each piece is? mine is like that one as it has 3 nipples and also i think im missing #21 which looks like a spring. im trying to figure out if i really need it or not as it was working before without it.

thanks,
garzaglass
 

ezeke

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to garzaglass:

I believe that you need the spring. The only number that I know of is 304094, and I am not at all sure that is the actual spring.

My pump had the spring so I just re-used it because the aftermarket kit that I used did not have one.

There are several OEM kits that deal with the pumps which may or may not have the parts: 393103, 398514, 398519, 433519, or 438616. My feeling is that the whole issue is parts roulette. Maybe someone knows.-?
 

Theoutdoorsman

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to garzaglass:

I believe that you need the spring. The only number that I know of is 304094, and I am not at all sure that is the actual spring.

My pump had the spring so I just re-used it because the aftermarket kit that I used did not have one.

There are several OEM kits that deal with the pumps which may or may not have the parts: 393103, 398514, 398519, 433519, or 438616. My feeling is that the whole issue is parts roulette. Maybe someone knows.-?

I believe that spring is there to close the valve and prevent the flow of fuel from flowing backwards through the pump. But, I might be wrong. ? I'm just not sure of it.
 

garzaglass

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

any idea what that would do if the spring is left off and the fuel flowed backwards?
 

Theoutdoorsman

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

I'm really not certain. I would assume you'd have to re-prime the system every time the outboard was shut down, because the pump would lose its prime. I think it would pump and maintain pressure, so long as the motor was running though. I'm just not certain. Maybe others can be of more assistance. ?
 

ezeke

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Re: Possible FAQ on fuel pumps. Please comment

The subject spring is behind a solid membrane in the pulse area, so fuel does not flow there.

I think that the spring is an integral part of the pumping action and should be replaced. Many hardware stores have an assortment of small springs that might provide a possible source.

The spring is much lighter and has fewer coils than the spring at the center of the pump. It is about 1/2" long relaxed.
 

67Johnson6HP

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I don't know how many outboards use the square type fuel pump but it would be good to have the same info on them. I have the square type on my 6HP and a few years ago I thought I had a fuel pump problem. Well, I decided to take it apart and check things out (ha,ha). I took it apart and pieces and parts went flying! I managed to find all the parts but when I went to put it back together, parts went flying again and I couldn't find one tiny white plastic piece. I made one and put it back together and it still works. But, I could not have put it back together without help from diagrams I found on the net. I printed the detailed diagrams (including assembly) and still have them but I cannot find the link. Someone here may know the site I'm talking about - it is real helpful and it would be good to include it here if someone can find it.
 
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