Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

SooLineRob

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Hello all,

First off, I'd like to say I've really enjoyed reading the great info here at iBoats. Thanks for all the great advice thus far. I'm VERY new to boating ... I'm such a newbie:

Audience: "HOW NEW ARE YOU?"

I'm so new I haven't even hitched up the boat yet!

I just purchased a 25 hours-in-the-water 2004 Four Winns 180 F/S from a co-worker in like-new condition that has been meticuluosly, professionally maintained. Included in the deal was the FW trailer (single axle) with surge brakes. My question centers on my tow vehicle(s).

I have two Chevy trucks; a 1987 full size Blazer and a 1990 1/2 ton (1500) Suburban. Both trucks are properly equipped to tow a boat/trailer of this size. I don't want to keep them both; I'll be selling one of them. Too many trucks, not enough garage! I'm leaning towards keeping the Suburban, but wanted to run this by experienced boaters.

I do alot of hunting out in the country, which requires moderate off roading/4 wheeling on trails. I live in a very level, flat part of the country; no significant hills to climb. Towing the boat will consist of highway driving up to 3 hours at a time.

The trucks are:

1987 Blazer 4X4 with a 350/5.7L TBI motor, automatic overdrive transmission (TH700R4), 3.42 axle gears, and 35 inch tires mounted on 16 inch rims. I've installed engine oil and transmission fluid auxilliary coolers (bypass type for cold weather). I love this rig; it's fully loaded with options and 90% restored. BUT, not real user-friendly for 4 people going boating/camping/hunting.

1990 Suburban 4X4 with a 350/5.7L TBI motor, 4 speed Muncie wide ratio manual/standard transmission (6.55 LOW gear, 3.58 1st, 1.57 2nd, 1.0 third/HIGH), and 3.42 axle gears. This truck is scheduled for shop time to receive a 6 inch suspension lift and 33 inch tires mounted on 15 inch rims and an aux engine oil cooler (also bypass type). This truck was bought for a song, is in very good condition, and obviously has alot more room for people/gear/etc..

My wife and I both enjoy driving manual trannies, so that's not an issue (she's a old-school farm girl that grew up driving "3 on the tree" pick ups). If it weren't for the boat, I'd sell the Suburban and keep the almost-finished Blazer. But I'm thinking the Suburban would be more practical in the long run. Either truck needs to be a dual-purpose tow rig/hunting/camping/off road outfit. I realize the Blazer would be towing in DRIVE/3rd gear, and the Suburban should be able to stay in 3rd/HIGH while on the highway. The Suburban obviously would be a more versatile truck with 4 doors, lots of cargo room, and a longer wheelbase. Since both trucks have the exact same engine and rear axle gears, am I missing any hidden pros/cons between the auto/manual transmissions or any problem towing with a 3.42 rear axle? Advice would be appreciated from experienced boaters.

Keep the Blazer OR Suburban?
 

tmcalavy

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

I'd keep the burban for towing, especially if you have kiddos or hunt with several buds; maybe sell the Blazer and replace it with another daily driver if you need one, the T-yota tacomas are hard to beat for hunting vehicles if set up for off-road correctly...they'll climb and haul, if you don't mind driving a foreign-made rig. Hows the temps up there? Thaw beginning yet?
 

bruceb58

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

This is easy...keep the Suburban. The wheel base of the Blazer is way to short to be comfortable while towing.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

this is very easy, keep the surburban. i tow a 5,000# deckboat, with a 99 surburban. we do several 1,000 mile trips a year with the boat.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

I vote for the Suburban,longer wheelbase is a huge plus when towing.And if you ever upgrade to a larger boat you are still in good shape.
 

fishmen111

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Keep the 'burb. Blazer's 3.42 with 35s are not a great towing set-up. The 33s on the Suburban will offset a little of the Muncie's steep gearing, but should do good since that's a granny gear tranny w/o OD.
 

Al Kungel

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

No doubt either vehicle will pull the boat, but no doubt the Suburban is heavier. Use the heavier longer vehicle for towing the boat - if that boat trailer ever starts to fishtail!!!
 

rndn

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

I agree with everyone else and tow with the burb. Welcome to the forum!!:):)
 

ebry710

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Suburban is proven and is a great vehicle, but I am not big on manual transmission and towing. With that said, I think you have already the answer to you dilemma:

1) Blazer not real user-friendly for 4 people going boating/camping/hunting.

2) My wife and I both enjoy driving manual trannies.

3) Suburban was bought for a song, is in very good condition, and obviously has a lot more room for people/gear/etc.

More practical and your wife likes it. Pick the Suburban. :):):)
 

bruceb58

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

The manual transmission is a drawback for the Suburban...I didn't read carefully enough before. Still, the Blazer is a lousy tow vehicle and the Suburban would be better.

The 91 and before Suburbans and Blazerswere pretty lousy tow vehicles. The 92 through 2000 Suburbans were a bit better but had horrible brakes. 2001 and newer 3/4t Suburbans are very good.
 

dave11

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Keep the Suburban You won't have to worry about the tail waging the dog.
 

SooLineRob

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Thank you very much for your advice. Suburban will stay.

I also feel the Suburban would be a better choice, but I figured I would ask the experience folks here at iBoats!

FWIW, my shop that will be doing the steering/suspension work on the Suburban is fully aware I will be towing my boat with said truck. We are searching for a quality aftermarket heavy-duty brake system. From my experience with classic cars, I'm aware the aftermarket does produce larger rotors/calipers/drums/shoes/related hardware for various vehicles. The shop is researching this option, and if available, we'll add a better-than-factory HD brake set-up.

I realize towing with a lifted/modified/big tire truck is not ideal, but I'm going to keep it "reasonable" with 4-6" of lift and 33" tires. This truck will not be my daily driver; it's soley for recreation. I do need the added ground clearance and big rubber to travel the backwoods' trails during hunting season. Factory/stock trucks don't do very well out there ... and the newer IFS trucks that are readily available around here are quite expensive to lift/modify. I live "out in the sticks", and would be better off having a "simple" Chevy/Ford/Dodge truck that can be serviced locally. Fargo (closest city) is over an hour away, which makes vehicle service/repair a very long day-trip that must be considered.

And ... my wife likes it! BINGO! She drove the Suburban the other day, and I had her drive up the street that has the steepest hill in town; I'd guess a 30 degree slope. I set up two highway cones and had her parallel park (the same test I used on our two kids). She did great, ending up with both tires 4" away from the curb. She got the truck out of that spot again just fine, and used the "granny gear" LOW range to drive out of the spot and continue up the hill to the stop sign. No worries there! Since we're both new to boating, we're going to practice backing up and parking the boat/trailer in a large parking lot, and launching/recovering the boat at our small, local lake that has a notoriously steep, slippery ramp. Having a manual tranny may "amplify" the process a little, but we'll be practicing alot (with experienced boaters) before we go "live" for the first time!

Thanks again for the advice and welcomes to boating! We're very excited to be joining the boating community for the first time as owners, and look forward to "talking" to everyone here at iBoats for a long time. Hopefully, we'll get a chance to meet some of you in the ND, MN, and SD lakes soon. Thanks again.

PS: Ironic twist of fate! The story behind the boat I purchased ... my co-worker sold me the like-new boat because he never used it since his father owned a newer, bigger boat that was docked in the same large lake my co-worker would go to. So, instead of towing his brand-new boat 3 hours up to the lake on the weekend, he'd leave his 18' in the garage and use his father's boat when he got to the lake. Fast forward to this April 1st: My co-worker, who is now boatless, got transferred to the heart of Minnesota lakes country, some great boating/fishing spots, but about 5+ hours away from his dad's boat. Ouch.
 

fishmen111

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

18' with surge brakes...you'll be fine with the lift. Just make sure tongue weight is correct and use the right length drop hitch.
 

ebry710

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Awesome choice. Tell you wife "hi" from us. Sounds like your choice in women, boats and trucks are good. Can life get any better. :):)
 

vintage boat junky

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Well, to offer a different answer - I'd say keep both; just take one off the insurance unless you're going to use it. My insurance will let me put my car on for any number of days at a time, and they just calculate the cost.

But for towing purposes only - I also say the Suburban.
 

SpinnerBait_Nut

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Welcome to iboats.
Keep the burb.
Take a boating safety course, please.
 

ebry710

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Well, to offer a different answer - I'd say keep both; just take one off the insurance unless you're going to use it. My insurance will let me put my car on for any number of days at a time, and they just calculate the cost.

But for towing purposes only - I also say the Suburban.

I have Farmers and they offer the same thing, but unless these vehicle are classics, keeping up two vehicles seems expensive. Even a sitting vehicle deteriorates and depreciates.
 

SooLineRob

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Re: Newbie seeks advice on tow vehicle...

Take a boating safety course, please.

Thanks for the encouragement. I tried to find a USCG course near me, but one wasn't offered "within 250 miles of your search"! I guess I really do live "out in the sticks"!

However, my home state Fish & Game Department offers one that's approved by the Coast Guard, and I'm taking it next week. I received the study guide yesterday. Thanks again to iBoats' members for strongly encouraging the boater's safety course.

Also, thanks everyone for suggesting I keep both trucks; one for towing and one for fun. My auto insurance is very inexpensive, my decision is based on "too many trucks (and cars) and not enough garage. I'd love to keep the Blazer since it's a great looking and driving truck and almost "finished". I just bought it in January (pre-boat), and now find myself choosing a proper tow vehicle. I'm sorry to see the Blazer go, but in the long run, it's no longer the "right" truck. Thanks to all for the advice.

FWIW, I do have a classic car insured by Hagerty Insurance. They write policies strictly for classic/collectible vehicles; no daily drivers. Unlike many policies, Hagerty allows pleasure driving with no yearly mileage limit. They are very easy to work with, and the premiums are inexpensive (where I live anyway).
 
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