Asian Outboards

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tedder

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A local marina is selling a brand of outboard made in China, I cant recall the brand on the cowl but I am wondering if anyone has seen any of these "off brand" motors and what the general opinion is ... they are cheaper but I'm concerned about reliability and quality control.

Apparently, according to the sales guy at the marina its a Merc power head and Yam lower unit but rebranded!?

T.
 

tashasdaddy

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if it is the one i am thinking of, it's so reliable the send extra parts as part of the original purchase package. how and where are you going to get parts and service. if it is a merc powerhead, yammy lower, it is stolen technology. which they are noted for.
 

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6 words for you.......

You get what you pay for
 

TOHATSU GURU

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I'm not allowed to say that they are junk. I am also not allowed to say that there are now some 5 or 6 brand labels for the same engine that I am not allowed to say is junk. I also can't say how dishonest( so I have heard) the Canadian importer is either. I also can't say that they are imperfect copies of Yamaha engines. What I can say is that I wouldn't own one based on them being produced in a communist country.
 
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Does China make anything worth having??? I often look at stuff to see if it has "made in China" on it and if it does, immediately put it back and look for something else.
I would be ashamed to own one.
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tedder

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I think I read somewhere Merc was planning to or is making motors in China. What about the qualiity of the Made in China brand name motors such as Merc if they are making motors there? Acutally, I dont think I'd buy one of these motors either.

I always try to buy "made in" Canada or the USA when ever possible, purchasing a made in China motor when Bombardier is Canadian would never really be an option for me.
 

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Up to a point, it makes no diference what Country anything is made/manufactured in, it has more to do with Quality control and the quality specified, the Chinese made Mercs should be perfectly OK, they will be made to a very high standard, using quality parts, the only cheap part will be the Labor, BUT a cheaply made copy of something good, is not automaticaly as good as the original, almost anything can be made to a price, OR a standard, but usually not both! remember it was not all that long ago anything made in Japan was considered rubbish, we have come a long way there huh!
 

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I got a Press Release awhile back from Mercury about their new plant in China, making their high performance & racing motors. They as everyone else are moving there to reduce their cost.

I have a problem with, #1 the “offshoring” of jobs, and I have a problem with #2 the price politics of the companies doing so.

They reduce their production cost to at least one tenth of what it would cost in the America or Europe, but the sales price to you, or me, continues to increase.

If it is “Made in China”, I want to see a “Made in China” price.

I am sick of paying the old “Made in America” or “Made in Germany” premium price, for “Made in China” products.

The “brand name” may say America or Germany, but it is really China.

My neighbor used to sell American, Canadian, and Japanese ATV's here. It got to the point he couldn't sell anything.

He now sells crappy (his wording, not mine) Chinese ATV's. A one man operation that sells 100+ a month, and delivers them all over Europe. These ATV's, are as already mentioned concerning the outboards, being shipped new, with replacement parts included. They break within days, and he tells people this, but they are cheap so the y buy.

They are really dangerous pieces of $h!t, but people don't have the money for the brand name products anymore, because of the loss of jobs here, do to the “offshoring” of what was formerly made by them.

He is now considering importing the Chinese outboards although he hates them. He is, or was, a longtime Evinrude/Mercury man.

The Chinese companies say, “same as Yamaha”, or “parts compatible with Mercury”. The engineers that work officially for one production facility, also work unofficially for the other. A lot of the western production facilities also have what is called their unofficial “Night Production” runs, producing OEM parts sold through black market channels.

It is a “devils circle”, as the Germans would say. Companies offshore the jobs to save on production cost, and at the same time eliminate their former customer base, who are now without jobs, in the process.

At first the western companies said we are only offshoring the low level parts production, now the “Research & Design” and “Marketing” is also being done in China. These are no longer western companies.

I was recently asked by a old American company with offices in Germany to talk to them about joining them here. I showed up only to find out it was now owned by the Chinese. It is supposed to have the old American face to the customers, but internally it is now 100% Chinese. All facilities in the States are quietly in the process of being shut down.

To add to the problems here, as the economy slows for the boat market in the States, major dealers in the U.S. are shipping their used stock to Europe to try to get it off the American market, thus driving down the prices here, in what has been a dead market for over 8 years. This is happening at the same time the Germans are sending their used stock to the Middle East & Eastern Europe to get it off the market.

Another neighbor put his “Bayliner 2252 Classic”, with trailer, all options & updates, plus complete ready for the water top of the line accessories (all new radar, electronics, life jackets, fenders, ice chests, tops, covers, toys ...)) up for sell two years ago because he lost his job at a major German car manufacture. His job is now in China.

It is a almost new boat, and was only used a couple of times (really), before he lost his job. He started asking 16,000.00 Euro. The price is now at 7500.00 and still no buyers. He has more than that in the electronics alone.

Now new Chinese made boat hulls are showing up on the market at about, once again, one tenth the price, of their (used) American & European equivalents.

The market is being killed for boats in Europe.

I just bought a used twenty year old Evinrude outboard for about the same price as a new Chinese made and Branded model. I guarantee it will out last the Chinese motor.

You can get good “Made in China”, “Western Branded Products” (Mercury is just one), but you still pay the cost of made in the west.

The savings are not being passed on to us, they are going to those in the penthouse offices.

Yea, I know, Bla Bla Bla! I am really sorry some of this is off topic & I got up on my soap box, but this all pi$$e$ me off. :mad:
 

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Back on Topic.

My neighbor received samples from three different Chinese branded outboard manufactures to test. All three broke the first day out in easy test runs. Maybe they would be OK for a back up motor, but they really aren't that cheap, they have no support network, no parts distribution system, bad resale value, and for the money I think a good used western engine is in the long term a better bet for the money.

On the good side nobody steals them off of the boats here.

As more of the western technology is incorporated into the Chinese branded outboards their quality will improve. It is just a matter of time before they compete head to head with the brands we all know. But for now I would not buy one.

As was already said, “Made in Japan” was at one time synonymous with cheaply made. This is no longer the case.
 

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Does China make anything worth having??? I often look at stuff to see if it has "made in China" on it and if it does, immediately put it back and look for something else.
I would be ashamed to own one.
JBJ

Well if that's the case you must own very few things - take a really close look at the labels - have you taken any vitamin pills or asprin lately - even foods or some of the ingredients in the food are on our grocery shelves is made in China. Would you believe the dried strawberry slices that are in Kelloggs cereal is from China !!! Get used to it - with 1.8 million people they will dominate the world economy for the forseeable future.
 

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Well if that's the case you must own very few things - take a really close look at the labels - have you taken any vitamin pills or asprin lately - even foods or some of the ingredients in the food are on our grocery shelves is made in China. Would you believe the dried strawberry slices that are in Kelloggs cereal is from China !!! Get used to it - with 1.8 million people they will dominate the world economy for the forseeable future.

I only buy stuff Made in China if I have no other option and there is almost always an option. I don't buy into the excuses people use, when in fact they DO have options, although it may take a bit more effort and in the short term cost a couple more dollars. I will NEVER buy a Chinese made outboard. I am not shy about telling manufacturers that I will no longer buy their products, since they decided to take the low road and move manufacturing offshore. I own LOTS of stuff. Remember when you buy Chinese, you are sending your US dollars to China and they are never coming back. Its a national disgrace that cargo ship after cargo ship comes here full from China and goes back empty. You can either say, "I had no choice" and it will continue to get worse OR, you can tell the manufacturers that I will not buy your garbage made in China and they will get the message.
 

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Welcome to iboats

No need to reply to a thread that is over 2 years old.

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