Gas Tank Condensation? Not in my gas tanks.

Mark42

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Last fall before putting away my two small boats for the winter, I siphoned the 14 gallon permanent tank in my MFG Niagara dry, the Bayliner has two 6 gallon portables that I also emptied. The boats were stored outdoors with plastic tarps covering them and their gas tanks.

This past week I took the covers off the boats to inspect for pest damage, etc and checked the gas tanks. All tanks are dry. No condensation. And this is in north New Jersey not far from the Pennsylvania ski areas. We get snow, sleet, freezing rain, and lots and lots of heavy fog all through the winter. Especially when it rains on top of a snowfall, you can't see your hand in front of your face. So with all this moisture laiden air around for 4 months or more, all the gas tanks stored outdoors show no water condensation at all. None whatsoever. Not a drop. Also my tractor with its 4 gallon tank has never had water in its tank, and it gets filled and emptied many times throughout the year. Same with the boonie bikes and off road karts. No water ever showed up anywhere.

Also, the three 5 gallon gas cans (vented) that are stored in my attached garage all winter to power the generator during power outages also show no water in the tanks. None. Not even a slight hazing of the alcohol laden gas we buy around here (up to 10% alcohol now).

I promised to post my findings last fall when storing the boats. I know my 14 gallon permanent tank, and 6 gallon portables are not the same as a 200 gallon tank, but the same principles apply be it a 1 gallon or 1000 gallon tank.

My years of dealing with stored fuel for generators in my garage and in my shed have never ever showed any water in the gas tanks. Period. End of story. No water.

The big difference between gas tanks stored at my home and gas tanks in boats is that gas tanks in boats are subject to water conditions. In other words, water gets in the boat tanks not by condensation, but because it is pumped there with the gas, or it leaks in through poor seals on fuel line connections or float gaskets, or through poor sealing fuel fill caps and most importantly, the gas vent. Boats have gas vents and far and wide most do not have a water trap nor do they have a simple loop in the line to prevent water from entering the tank from the vent on the hull.

I strongly suspect that all the water people find in their boat gas tanks was pumped in with the gas. BTW, I never fill my boat at a marina, I trailer my boats, and always fill the tanks at a regular gas station. Compare that to boats that are stored in slips and fill at marina tanks where water contamination of the storage tanks is an ongoing problem.

I also have a water filter with clear sediment bowl. Never had any water show up in the water trap. Thats because there is no water in my gas tanks.

I know that someone will attempt to dispute my findings, but facts are facts and you just can't change the facts by saying they are not true. You can try, but it does not change the facts.

Regards,

Mark.
 

PhatboyC

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Re: Gas Tank Condensation? Not in my gas tanks.

Your finding are in line to what I was thinking. Let's put an end to gas tank condensation myth once and for all. The volume of the tank walls would need to be so much greater to actually accumulate condensation worthy to notice.
 

Woodnaut

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Re: Gas Tank Condensation? Not in my gas tanks.

The only times that I have had water in my fuel tanks were due to very poor tank vent location, or when the fuel I purchased contained water. I relocated my tank vents last year and I've had no more difficulties - the fuel in the filter has remained crystal clear. Also, the marina that I've been trading with apparently cleaned up their act pretty good over the years as well. I also use a good fuel stabilizer. I do have to state, however, that I keep my boat stored in my garage when not on the water.

As far as condensation, following is a link to a lengthy and mathematical analysis of the condensation issue. In the end, the author of the article states that: "What all of this suggests to me is that neither condensation nor absorption of water from air is likely to provide enough water to lead to phase separation in any reasonable period of fuel storage, say six months."

http://www.boatered.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=96403

-42, you'll get no argument from me. Thanks for taking the time to carefully report your findings.
 

tommays

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Re: Gas Tank Condensation? Not in my gas tanks.

Well

It is a bit of a different matter when the boat is in the water and your close to 100% humidty


My 3 gallon plastic goes from ready to explode if it is in the sun with a tight cap to ready to inplode when it is the rear storgae comparment and cools down at night
 
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