1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

[roscottjr]

I did a compression check today but had to do a dry/cold test. My starter will turn the engine fine with all 3 plugs removed but will not spin the engine fast enough to start it with the plugs in. Is this a simple fix or do I need a new starter?

 

[ezeke]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

That's usually battery and /or battery cables. Make sure all the connections leading to the starter are very clean, especially the ground wires. Keep your battery fully charged.

 

[roscottjr]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

Oops, I left some info out. I did a compression test and got 148-150 on all 3 cylinders but this test was dry and cold. I am trying to locate a wiring diagram as there are a few wires not hooked up. As far as everything else goes, all wires, cable ends and battery are all brand new. Battery has full charge. Im hopeing this may be something such as replaceing brushes but if the starter is shot then I can deal with that too.

Robert

 

[JB]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

Troubleshoot the starter circuit, Robert.

Engine FAQs, "Outboard won't start".

 

[roscottjr]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

Ok, I took the alternate approach. Useing high qulaity jumper cable I connected the battery directly to the starter and no change. Still barely turns the motor with plugs installed. Also, Even with the plugs out the starter is heating up really fast like its trying to just burn out.

 

[JB]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

Did you jump the battery ground to the engine block, too, or only the hot wire to the starter? Why not just follow the advice and save yourself some time and bux?

You seem determined to prove that you have a bad starter. Well, go ahead and waste some bux replacing it, if you must. There is about a 10% chance it is bad.

When you are ready to use a systematic approach, do as I suggested and let us know what you find.

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

90% of starter problems are bad connections. remove and clean both ends of the battery cables, so that they are shiney, also the cable from the solenoid to starter. check for nicks in the cables. and make sure the connectors are on the wire good. the cable tend to corrode from the inside out, if nicked, corroded wires, and connections, heat up and cause resistance to the follow of electricity, thus the starter doesn't get enough. you can also take jumper cable pos battery post to large post on starter. with a good connection, the engine should spin. then if the starter is good clean everything and retest. then trouble shoot solenoid. starters can be rebuit at a starter/alternator shop, much cheaper than a new one.

also have the battery load tested at the auto parts store, free, i've had new batteries go bad

 

[roscottjr]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

Did you jump the battery ground to the engine block, too, or only the hot wire to the starter? Why not just follow the advice and save yourself some time and bux?

You seem determined to prove that you have a bad starter. Well, go ahead and waste some bux replacing it, if you must. There is about a 10% chance it is bad.

When you are ready to use a systematic approach, do as I suggested and let us know what you find.

Coming from an ASE mechanic, I believe I have taken the "systematic" approach and was looking for a second opinion before I rebuild or replace. As far as the battery, If I am not mistaken if I only hook the positive to the starter with no ground then the starter would not spin at all because the circuit is not complete. So, to answer your question, "Hot" "Red" "Positive" went directly from battery to starter. "Ground" "Black" "Negative" went directly from battery to engine block.

Note: When I say jumper cables I am not talking about normal cables for jumping off a vehice. These are 2 gauge cable with ring terminals on one end and battery terminals on the other with a cutoff on the Positive side. I have done all the testing my equipment will do, unfortunately I have no equipment for testing the load on the starter. I have not owned and used this engine. It was given to me in unknown condition.

However, I have just printed this thread and after posting this I will head outside and step by step run another check and the com repost my findings. Im not trying to sound like an A** here but I thought I was clear on the tests I had already done.

Lastly, I would love to find out the starter is not bad. That would just make my day as at this point other than not knowing where the 2 yellow stator wires go the starter is my biggest issue.

Be back shortly to post findings.

 

[roscottjr]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

Just tested everything again. Checked everything that has been mentioned in this thread.

The one thing I did find was the starter bolts were not tight as they should be so I tightened them up and retested but no change. Also, this starter has 2 tabs for bolting to the side of the block and 1 for bolting to the front of the block. The bottom tab for the side is broken so I prob need a new starter anyway unless just cases can be purchased for these. That is if the starter is good but so far it is testing bad. I will await any other suggestions.

Robert

 

[roscottjr]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

???

 

[ezeke]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

You need the starter if the mounting tabs are broken. The starters are all over the map in price, so do a good search before you buy.

iboats sells three different brands, so use their prices as a benchmark. http://www.iboats.com/Johnson_Start...3265144--**********.089601366--view_id.271365

 

[roscottjr]

Re: 1971 Evinrude 60 hp starter question

Had to replace starter anyway due to the broken tab. Anyway turns out the starter was in fact bad. Put the new starter on engine and everything works great.

Thanks for all the help

Robert