Paddle wheel Houseboat restoration

fixb52s

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I just think this boat is one of the most unique things I have seen. Almost like a mini Casino on the Red. How long did it take to build it?

I too am looking forward to seeing it float again.​
 

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when i was a kid growing up in edmonton canada

(approx 140 th st and 104 ave)

there was a guy building a 40 foot concrete sail craft in his back yard.

it was over thirty feet tall including the keel....the project was so big...it was taller than his house......

i saw it 20 years later .....still same spot...but it was still in construction phase.......havent been by to see if it is still there.....

but i could never figgure out how he was gonna move it....much less where he was gonna move it too?....edmonton only has small lakes around it....

the ocean is over a thousand miles away !

i allways wondered what happened to that boat and the guy
 

zach103

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i really wonder how long it took to build somehting that big
 

Hilabs

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Whoo, spent the day digging out foam with my three daughtes age 14, 12 and 7. We got a lot done; I'd say we're 15% there. The boat (correct me if I'm wrong Tommy) was started in 1969 and finished in 1983. I was told the builder was called Noah by the locals.
The good news is the hull doesn't look too bad from the inside. So the jug idea is bad and just go with bare steel and some kind of sacrificial anode?
I'm planning on installing cypress flooring and a faux brick interior wall with a stamped tin ceiling to emulate a Bourbon street bar. The project is located in Springdale AR.
 

drewpster

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I am glad to see you decided to remove the foam.
I have seen a few steel hulls in past years and none of them had foam inside the hulls. I am sure it would be in the way when you do repairs. Not to mention the ill effect of having wet foam against the steel.
Do you know of any welding that needs to be done so far? Invest in a MIG welder yet?
Compared to other types of welding, MIG is easy to learn how to do no matter your experience level. MIG welders are expensive but it might be worth your while to compare the price of a decent welder versus the cost of hiring the repairs done. If you can stand the learning curve it may be a more efficient use of your budget. And you could pick up a new skill.
:)
 

jennis9

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any news on the restore on this one? I am curious about any progress. Love the idea of this project!
 

Hilabs

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Hello everyone,
Here is an update on the paddlewheeler. We have spent the entire summer gutting her and digging out foam. There is now a 10' x 30' pile of bagged foam beside her (see pic). The inside metal seemed pretty good when the wet foam came out, but the stringers crumbled into rust in a matter of days once exposed to air and had to be cut out. The hull is good in most places. We are now ready to start the rebuild process. If I had know what this project was going to be like I doubt I would have undertaken it. Now that we've gotten this far, I am determined to finish it. It would not ever be finished without the hard work and dedication of Mike Yeakley who has the bull dog tenacity and vision to see the Mardi Gras on the water again.

http://s279.photobucket.com/albums/kk125/hilabs/September update/
 

Labman

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Glad you have made so much progress, I didn't come across this thread until today. Had I seen it sooner, I would have, and will still instruct you to remove ALL traces of foam from the areas to be welded. Whether it is Styrofoam, 2 part Polyurethane or Polystyrene base, welding temps will produce TOXIC fumes.A fresh air hood can be used, but removal is still the best, the fumes can, at the very least, cause upper respiratory infections and on occasion can cause death.:eek:

A qualified welder, will/should wire wheel, both the inside/outside of all areas to be repaired, this in it's self will remove any traces of scale and remaining foam. I am passing this on to you, on the off chance, that you will attempt the weld repairs yourself. Mig. is very easy to master, and depending on the extent of the repairs, you can purchase an inexpensive 110v. Lincoln/Miller MiG, that will be more than capable of repairs on steel in the 0.125 - 0.375 thickness's you will be working with!

Good luck, I love the idea of your Stern-wheeler House Boat.
 

Hilabs

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Thanks but I can say confidently that there is NO FOAM in this boat. It was dug out first by the shovel full then finally piece by piece with flat bars. It has taken two months and a lotof hard work. This B***H IS GONNA FLOAT!
 

jay_merrill

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You may want to consider doing an ultrasonic hull thickness test on the skin. One of the things that would make me nervous about this boat is the hodgepodge of stringers in it. What is there seems like complete overkill to me, and makes me wonder if a very thin plating system was used to form the exterior hull.

If so, and there is significant corrosion, you may have a dangerously thin hull. If you end up having to re-skin the hull, I would consult an engineer and strongly consider going to thicker hull plating, so that you can lose the majority of those stringers. Leaving them is an invitation for further corrosion in places that you cant see and can't get too.

I'm glad to have read that you got rid of "Mr. Bondo," because, well ..... he's an idiot! Sounds like an auto body guy who is used to getting paid three grand to paint a car. He obviously knows nothing about repairing and/or painting a hull.
 

legoman67

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wow, looks like a great project! makes ours seem like nothing, and its 30' !

cant wait to see the outcome!
 

reelfishin

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You may want to consider doing an ultrasonic hull thickness test on the skin. One of the things that would make me nervous about this boat is the hodgepodge of stringers in it. What is there seems like complete overkill to me, and makes me wonder if a very thin plating system was used to form the exterior hull.

If so, and there is significant corrosion, you may have a dangerously thin hull. If you end up having to re-skin the hull, I would consult an engineer and strongly consider going to thicker hull plating, so that you can lose the majority of those stringers. Leaving them is an invitation for further corrosion in places that you cant see and can't get too.

I'm glad to have read that you got rid of "Mr. Bondo," because, well ..... he's an idiot! Sounds like an auto body guy who is used to getting paid three grand to paint a car. He obviously knows nothing about repairing and/or painting a hull.

As I was reading through all the posts here and looking at the pics, the above was pretty much what I was thinking too. It looks to me like what might have been used for a lot of the construction was the equivalent of steel siding? The foam may have been added to add rigidity as much as or more than flotation. If the hull is that thin, then corrosion will be a real issue to deal with, if the hull was made of plate steel, then it would take a greater level of corrosion and far more time to compromise the hull.
When I first saw the pics of this boat, I thought about one that I saw in PA about 8 years ago, it was a home built paddle wheel boat from MS. Someone had somehow transported it up to north central PA as a project. It was about 90' long and made from 1/4" and 3/8" plate steel, mostly welded, with some rivet joints above the water line. It was my impression that it had been reclad at a later date with heavier steel. The owner of that boat had gotten in too deep and was trying to sell it. I looked at it for a buddy who was contemplating restoring it. It was powered by two very large diesel engines and had been converted to prop drive and a non functional paddle wheel.
Estimated weight on that boat was far more than could be easily transported without the use of house moving equipment.

Do you know approx. how thick that hull skin is? What are the stringers made of? It sort of looks to me to be more like a large house boat than a typical steel hull ship?

You were right in removing the foam, especially wet foam. The fact that the foam was soaked would make me that much more suspect of the steel hull and rust. Also, was the foam wet from rain water getting in or was it wet from a leaking lower hull?

I'd be tempted to consider some level of media blasting to rid the steel of rust, then you could re-evaluate the level of rust present and what repairs will be needed to make seaworthy and safe for years to come. Once all the repairs are made and the hull is 100% sound again, I'd consider simply priming the inner and outer hull well and coating it all in a good epoxy paint plus what ever ablative coating required for where you intend to keep it.
 

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this is an older thread.......the op hasnt been on since september...


i hope he's still at it
 

jay_merrill

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I know its an older thread, but the OP came back after a couple of months once before. I hoping he will come back again because I feel pretty strongly about the need to do some accurate testing on the condition of this hull.

While the boat is interesting, its looks to me very much like the "engineering" in it is amateur. That may or may not be a problem. Aside from safety issues, I would hate to see the OP sink a bunch of money in something that could need thousands of dollars in hull redesign and/or refurbishment.
 

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yup.....you are very correct
 

Recruit

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there should be enough water displacement in that baot that you should never need foam and if you did foam it, it dont think it would save it. it would also be expensive and hard to add in a situation like that where you dont want to damage the deck. i have never seen foam in a house boat and i have worked on two of them now. just get GOOD bilge pumps. DONT GO CHEAP!
 

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i got an idea just after my last post that i thought of to check your hull. i know where i am from they remove all the houseboats from the marina with a large crane with these straps that run under the boat and lift it out of the water. they then drive to the spot where they winterize it. could you find a marina with one of those and have them set it in the water still on the crane and then you could mark anywhere you had a leak? just take a sharpie or rattle can or something and anywhere you see water enter you mark? this mght not be possible but it was just a random idea
 

SnappingTurtle

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If you check the September update in his photobucket account, you will see some small rust spots in the hull that turned up after the flotation foam removal. :(

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A few bags of foam.

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A few possible points of water intrusion.

I don't know if he is still working on it now, wish him luck though if he is.
 

Hilabs

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Here is an update on the paddlewheel project:
The hull has been welded tight, painted inside and out and has been leak tested by filling the hull with water three times. It appears that all leaks are gone.
The engine is functioning well and the air powered control system is functioning.
The roof has been replaced and the side walls and window are new.
The boat has suvived the remainder of two hurricanes and the big ice storm without being damaged.
The dilemma I am facing now is this - I could put the boat in the lake to test the hull (I imagine it will have small leaks somewhere) but it will be a huge undertaking to launch the boat then pull it out and haul it back to where it rests now. It has no interior now and if something major were to happen at least that part would not be destroyed. OR
I can build the entire boat interior and hope for the best.
Question - can a hull be welded or patched underwater? What type of bow thrusters are best and how are they powered? Recomendations for a genterator?
Thanks in advance.
Hilabs
 

zach103

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Wow man you have really been at it.. let see some pictures
 
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