water in bottom cylinder?? '56 30HP Johnson

Ksands18

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Apologies in advance for the long post but i wanted to cover everything.

This problem has been bugging me for several years now...I have a 56 Johnson 30hp that suddenly began to run on one cylinder. I could tell by taking out the plugs that it was the bottom cylinder that was not working properly as it was very "wet" with unburned gas and oil. So I went ahead and replaced all the electronics...coils, points, condensers, plug wires, plugs...but no luck i still couldnt get the bottom cylinder to run. Then i tried hooking a timing light up to each plug wire and discovered the bottom cyl. was in fact getting plenty of spark. A quick compression check also showed good results...about 135psi for each.
My next step was to then remove the head and in doing so, discovered that the oil/gas mixture left over inside the lower cylinder was milky white with water droplets in it. Obviously water was getting in where it didn't belong. Checked the cylinder..no apparent cracks, the head looked fine as did the head gasket. Then I took the exhaust cover off and could see that after removing the inner cover, the exhaust holes and surrounding area of the lower cylinder were all wet with the milky water mixture. I figured the exhaust cover gaskets had gone bad so I replaced them along with a new head gasket, put everything back together and still no good.
Knowing that the problem seems to lie somewhere in the exhaust area i once again removed the exhaust cover to see what I could find and noticed something that could possibly be the cause of the problem....right underneath the bottom cylinder where the exhaust goes through an opening and down towards the lower unit, there is a horizontal plate about 2.5 by 1 inch in size with two round holes in it that lead to tubes on the underside of it. the plate is not attached to anything as i can easily lift it up with a finger and one corner of the plate is bent up and i can see right down the rectangular hole it is covering. I am assuming this is what is letting water up into the exhaust area since below it is where the cooling water exits the motor.

Am I correct in thinking this is the cause of my cylinder problems? and what can be done to secure this plate? i am also curious why one corner of it could have gotten bent up when the motor used to run just fine until this problem.

thank you to anyone who can help as i am getting very frustrated!!!

-Dave

(i've included a picture of what i am talking about)
 

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Re: water in bottom cylinder?? '56 30HP Johnson

That is called an exhaust loading plate. It's sole function is to kill some of the noise. It will run just fine even without it. It is not the cause of the water in your cylinder.

You have inspected the exhaust cover baffle plate for pin holes..haven't you? Water will squirt through the holes and into the cylinder ports. The original ones were made of aluminum and were very bad about that. Replacements are stainless steel. But even stanless can have problems after 50 years!
 

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Re: water in bottom cylinder?? '56 30HP Johnson

Hmmm, alright i took the powerhead off and this is what i found (see attachment pic)... looks like the lower seal is destroyed. I can see all the way in to the bearings themselves. From the way i see it, there are 2 seals here? one on the end of the crankshaft with the spring that goes around it and another seal that is inserted into the bottom of the bearing. or is this all part of the same seal?
and i guess the big question is could this be the reason the bottom cylinder does not work? i am not sure why water would be drawn in through there but there was water in that area when i separated everything.
that and i wouldnt even begin to know how to replace it!
 

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Re: water in bottom cylinder?? '56 30HP Johnson

A-HA!! You found the culprit. Are you sure you have a 1956? I thought that kind of seal was only used for awhile on the 1955 25hp. It was a big disaster. Many powerheads got replaced under warranty because of it and the damage caused by water getting up into the bearing and crankcase, then on into the cylinder.

The seal is part number 303804. Only one is used, pressed into the bearing shell. The spring is part of the seal.
 

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Re: water in bottom cylinder?? '56 30HP Johnson

yup! its a model RDE-18. good to know the troubleshooting is finally over with and i can finally start repairing the real problem. too bad this warranty expired 50 years ago! thanks again for the quick response.

-Dave
 

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Re: water in bottom cylinder?? '56 30HP Johnson

I think I had the same problem with mine. I checked everything with the motor and it all checked out, but I didn't look inside to see if there was water in it. I bet that was the problem. Glad I got rid of it.
 
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