1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

elark7

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I recently bought this motor for a pontoon that I am restoring. It sat for 2 years so I followed the post on what to do before running it, lower unit oil, impellor etc., then took it out on the lake for a test. I ran it at the docks for about 20 minutes, so as to be close incase of major problems. I then took it out on the lake. It ran great, fast and no problems. About a week later after doing more work to the toon I took out the kids. Again it ran fine, several more trips and 3 tanks of gas later it has developed a power problem. It runs fine for about 15-20 minutes then has no power, It has good stream from pee hole, has good spark, and runs great in neutral (has power while sitting and giving gas by the cold start lever or by hand at the motor) but not in forward. Boat is a 1984 24 footer with only partial furniture on it and the original half top, that I covered temp with a tarp. According to NADA 115 is max hp. According to the previous owner the cap, wires and plugs were new when stored, as well as having the carbs redone prior to the last year used and the engine ran without problems on an 18 footer. I really want to be able to take this boat out on the river for a 3 day trip but worry about coming back upstream. Are the carbs gumed from sitting so long? It looks new under the hood, very clean wires all intact and all original shiny paint. I have not done anything yet to the carbs, or electrical as I am still reading the shop manual, second time through. Oh the prop is a 13 3/4 by 17, I switched from the 19 pitch after talking to the local shop owner, told me to bring in the motor and he would check to see what is wrong, not willing to give info over the phone. Any help is greatly appreciated.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

First thing to check is compression. It's entirely possible that you've dropped a cylinder. It'll sound great sitting at the dock, but you won't have it out on the lake pushing the boat. We had that with a V4 Johnson. Didn't have 2 cylinders firing properly on the lake. Ended up being a loose screw of all things ( I can't remember for the life of me what the dumb part is called...the part that opens and closes the gap mechanically to produce spark...anyway, that was closed shut because of the loose screw so we had 2 less cylinders producing power, but it ran nice on 2 with no load. ) It's entirely possible that something has just come loose after the years or something finally failed after the 3 tanks of gas ( fuel pump leaking? ).
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

OK - Should the compression check come back OK, Put a timing light on each plug wire. Make sure you have good spark at the plugs. if that passes, look at the plugs. If one or more are clean like new, you could have water ingestion in the cylinders. If you find that, you might check the torque of the exhaust cover. It should be 10-12 ft pounds. If they are loose you ay retorque them and hope it works. If not, you may need to disassemble and use new gaskets.

If the plugs are all the same and brown/black, the carbs may be gummed up.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

if pumping the primer bulb makes it run better then it's probably the diaphram in the fuel pump, otherwise your carbs need to be rebuilt maybe, gas oxidizes when left sitting in your float bowls, I've found carb jets disintegrated on my street bike before, also it's a good idea to replace the floats themselves because the gas we use today will eat the old floats, or so I've been told, gas tank could have junk in it too, hope this helps, J
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

I have a 115 hp Mercury that acted simular to yours, but would not get up and plane. Try disconnecting the idle stbilizer (black box in front of the carbs, with a red, white/black and a black wire coming from it). I understand that it advances timing when idling, but they had lots of trouble with them and really serve no useful purpose. I disconnected mine and it the motor now runs great.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

Ollie, A 1973 motor does not have an idle stabilizer!
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

Sounds like a dropped cylinder, my guess, ignition. Check the plug wires for scuffing and/or chaffing due to rubbing or kinking when throttle is advanced. It might be heat related since it occurrs after the engine has run awhile. Usually the switchboxes and coils are suspect, however since your engine only has one switchbox and one coil they are probably ok. Perhaps an issuse with the distributor cap and/or rotor. I have seen spark plugs act up once they warm up, hairline cracks in the porcilin perhaps
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

Thanks for all the input. I finally got some time off and checked the comp. yesterday. I warmed the motor, till water coming out was warm then checked. Cylinders 2-6 were 125-130. Cylinder one started at about 40 and dropped, to 15 as the motor ran. I also noticed that the plug in cyl 1 was not black and used looking. I read another post that said water causes this. Is it possible that the rings are fine and water in the cyl is causing the lack of good compression, blown gasket? If not can the rings be changed while the head is still attached? or must it come off. I will also be getting the same year 150 hp motor for a really good price. Will the the parts inter-change, the 150 is being sold as non running and for 50 dollars I could'nt pass it up since it looks identical visually and is only 4 minutes from my house. Is there an interchange manual for the mercs from 64 to about 78? Thanks again.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

If the top cylinder on a tower of power is pooched it is a strong sign that the engine overheated. Neat thing about your motor is that you don't have to worry about a blown head gasket cause there is no gasket to blow, there is no removable cylinder head. Therefore the engine has to totally disassembled in order to get to the rings. Get a mechanics light and with the piston ABDC take a look inside #1. Chances are you'll see scoring.
As for the 150 you want to rob parts from. Well the crankshaft, bearings, connecting rods, piston pin, flywheel are about it from the powerhead that will exchange. Pistons, reeds, carbs, exhaust tuner, and block are all different
 
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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

well i dont think water can drop compression, but you did say it was stored, if their was gas still in the carbs/cylinders when it was stored it is possible that the rings in the first cylinder are just stuck. personally i would pull the head off and check the cylinder walls, because if you did really blow that cylinder then the cylinder walls will be rough and scratched looking, if the cylinder still has cross hatching you might be ok. try running seafoam through it.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

I don't think it ever overheated. I replaced the impellor prior to running it and it has had a strong steady stream since, I also had my hand on the upper part of the head and it has also been just shy of hot. Is seafoam reliable? I have read posts that sing its praises and others that have nothing but problems with it and more after using it. Prior to coming to work I glanced at some photos of the motor dissasembled and it seemed as though I could look into the cylinder with the rear plate removed, piece where the spark plugs enter. This motor was also cheap at 450 dollars, with a 4 hour trip to get and then removing it from the boat it was on. So is it worth reringing all 6 cylinders or should I just strip it down and put the Merc 650 back on it. As for the 150 hp I'm really only interested in the lower unit and the electrical parts, starter, stator etc, to have as back up parts on my garage shelf.
 
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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

This motor was also cheap at 450 dollars. So is it worth re-ringing all 6 cylinders or should I just strip it down and put my Merc 650 back on the Pontoon.

Any thoughts on this? I have 3 650 motors, 2 running. I just don't think it will handle the load and be able to pull a tube.
 
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i wasnt really going after an overheat, at work i deal with blown power heads all the time, if one carb gets clogged up then not only are you not getting sufficient fuel to two pistons in that motor but the oil isnt getting there either, causing horrible and very sad things. i personally use seafoam all the time, as a matter of fact last night it was sitting in the bowls of my 84' 115
I-6. the seafoam basically cleans the system out, think of it as a friendly laxative for engines. but seriously i would check the compression, but i think you said one cylinder was bad so i recommend pulling that head and check it out. as for putting that smaller engine on it, its gonna be slow, its not gonna pull anything, and its gonna suck gas.
 

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When you get the head off of that inline please post a pic I really want to see it
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

Just wanted to let everyone know that I haven't forgotten this motor. Although it is now a 1972. Not sure how I got the numbers wrong, old eyes?. Anyways I swapped a 65 onto the pontoon and have the 115 on a stand with the head ready to remove. Working up some strength to get it off, while getting a 150 on another stand running. So I should have some photos of the 115's insides soon. I checked the pressure with my finger and there is none on number one. It looks fine though through the spark plug hole so hopefully it just needs some rings and a quick turn at the machine shop.

elark
 

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You should really try running some Seafoam or Mercury makes a thing called power tune. It might free up the rings. I have spoke to some wrenchers that have seen a motor with poor compression and after running this super lube through the motor had good compression. Give it a try its only a couple bucks. On the power tune it says to do it at the lake, but it is ok to do it on the muffs.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

elark, The cylinder head is not removeable on that motor. The cover over the spark plugs is a water jacket cover.

Pull the upper transfer cover on the starboard side of the motor. You wll then be able to see the piston, rings and cylinder walls. You will likely see the piston skirt is scratched up, the rings are welded to the pistons and the cylinder walls are scored.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

Finally had some seafoam arrive at the local parts store, they have never sold any prior to my asking for it. Put it in some gas and sprayed down the cylinders. I also looked inside the number one piston and the two below it and they all look the same. There is no scoring of the cylinder, they all looked clean. I cranked it around a few times by hand and then let it sit, sparyed the cylinders some more then cranked it around by hand again. I know this is not the way explained to use seafoam but my neighbors were having a picnic with guests so I did not want to smoke them out. Anyways it is soaking now until I can get to it in the A.M and run it like it needs to. I noticed that while cranking it around by hand that some nasty black goo was dripping from the exhaust port at the prop. I guess this is normal but it was pretty thick. Would this be because it has never been cleaned out before? I can't wait till I can run it and see if the rings free up.

elark
 

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Bad News On the 115

So I ran the seafoam and then pressure checked the number 1 piston. It now has no pressure at all! I checked the other 5 and they also lost pressure from the first test, down to 110 to 115 psi. Not good! I also had to pump the primer bulb halfway through as fuel appeared to be not getting to the carbs. I guess I will have to bite the bullet, put off the river trip and live with the 65 hp on the toon until next year. Unless someone has any other tricks to try looks like I will be putting $600 plus into the 115, was not on my to do list but a complete rebuild would be my guess, doing all 6 pistons and overboring the block.
 

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Re: 1973 Mercury 115hp Inline 6 looses power after running

The compression in the other 5 cylinders is fine. why not just rebuild #1 cylinder? Oversize Pistons are $100 each, and the boring is about $50/cylinder. Gently hone and re-ring the other 5 cylinders.
 
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