Sources of evil

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http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/local/372670_greenlake30.html

I think this article says this is the suspected source of the spikes, but that has since been confirmed. Green Lake had a serious problem in the past with milfoil. Not sure how it's doing now.

It's a mistake to generalize and say people are somehow worse than they were before, or better.

There is evil in the world...always has been, and probably always will be.
 

sunaj

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So, the solution to some people is to force all programming to become enemic, pedandic, partridge family, my three sons, leave it to beaver, etc. Instead of controlling what your children watch, you want to control what everybody watches.
Personally I think Leave it to Beaver is responsible for more murders, thefts and criminal activity than things like NBK. That's why so many people of this generation have mental illness, forced as children to sit thru that!
 

BoatBuoy

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Personally I think Leave it to Beaver is responsible for more murders, thefts and criminal activity than things like NBK. That's why so many people of this generation have mental illness, forced as children to sit thru that!

I don't agree. I think most of the Beaver watchers are older and for the most part, are past that time of their lives.

I think it may have been the viciousness of Barney Fife that precipitated some of the evil.:D
 

beilwing

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He's right, it is video games fault. Also becareful heavey metal will make you kill yourself. And you know what else, rap music makes you slap women and drink 40's and shoot people.

See how silly that looks when it's down in black and white. If a simple minded person lets a form of entertainment affect their judgement, there are deeper issues than his/her choice of entertainment.

All that being said, who can't watch a jet li movie and be a kung fu expert. heii yahh:D
 

Hoss the Hermit

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Now that the source of the spikes has been discovered to be the government, I wonder if you are going to reverse your position on these video games being so evil and corrupting the minds of our youth to do such twisted things...

You could maybe keep that same soap box rant and change video games to universities since I'm sure each of the WRO's that placed them there to combat those weeds had learned such tactics for combating unwanted foliage in some kind of higher learning institute.

Of course I'm just being silly. But don't you feel silly now, too?

My goodness gracious!!!!!!!! I feel much better now that I know the gubmint is responsible.
 

mainexile

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He's right, it is video games fault. Also becareful heavey metal will make you kill yourself. And you know what else, rap music makes you slap women and drink 40's and shoot people.

See how silly that looks when it's down in black and white. If a simple minded person lets a form of entertainment affect their judgement, there are deeper issues than his/her choice of entertainment....

Yeah, silly. Right. Tell that to the parents of the Columbine students.:mad:
 

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But dude, like wow . . . you're assuming that the Columbine monsters would not have been monsters regardless of whether they played with Gumby or played Grand Theft Auto . . . You can never know that . . .
 

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I don't agree. I think most of the Beaver watchers are older and for the most part, are past that time of their lives.

I think it may have been the viciousness of Barney Fife that precipitated some of the evil.:D

I used to love Roadrunner-Coyote cartoons (before they were banned).

Once, when I was mad at my boss, I thought about dropping an anvil on his head, or setting up a case of Acme dynamite, near a rock outcropping.

Am I an evil person? :)
 

SgtMaj

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My goodness gracious!!!!!!!! I feel much better now that I know the gubmint is responsible.

Don't you though? You got to pay to put them in, you got to pay for a giant investigation into who put them there and why, and now you get to pay to take them back out. I think guiness brewing company said it best... BRILLIANT!
 

SgtMaj

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Yeah, silly. Right. Tell that to the parents of the Columbine students.:mad:

I happen to like violent video games... and I'm probably one of the most violent gamers there are... my wife says I'm truely disturbed when I take out my own teammates in team-oriented games, then go after the other team. But video games are just pixels on a screen. There's a big difference between that and reality, and anyone that can't tell that difference, wouldn't have turned out well with or without the games in their lives. There have always been disturbed people though, and now that the courts say locking them up in mental institutions violates their human rights, this is what we're left with... a bunch of very mentally disturbed people mixed in with society whom no one can do anything about until they do something horrible like that.
 

mainexile

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But dude, like wow . . . you're assuming that the Columbine monsters would not have been monsters regardless of whether they played with Gumby or played Grand Theft Auto . . . You can never know that . . .

QC, You're absolutely right - I can never know. But with that being said, the interests and activities of those two boys have been questioned as being contributing factors in the massacre.

From Wikipedia:
"Both Harris and Klebold were fans of video games such as Doom and Wolfenstein 3D. Harris often created levels for Doom that were widely distributed, and can still be found on the Internet as the Harris levels. Rumors that the layout of these levels resembled that of Columbine High School circulated but appear untrue.[19] Harris spent a great deal of time creating another large mod, named "Tier," calling it his "life's work."[20] The mod was uploaded to the Columbine school computer and to AOL shortly before the attack but appears to have been lost. One researcher argued that it is nearly certain the "Tier" mod included a mock-up of Columbine High School.[21] Some analysts argued that part of the killers' problem may have been desensitization due to their constant exposure to violent imagery in such video games, as well as music and movies, theorizing that their obsession with these forms of media may have led them to depersonalization. American media compared the massacre to a fantasy sequence from the 1995 film The Basketball Diaries in which protagonist Leonardo DiCaprio wears a black trench coat and shoots six classmates in his school's hallways. Several unsuccessful lawsuits against video game manufacturers were filed as a result by parents of some of the victims.[22][23] Harris and Klebold were fans of the movie Natural Born Killers and used the film's acronym NBK as a code in their home videos and journals."

And with that...I rest my case.
 

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Here is an interesting article:

The Depressive and the Psychopath
At last we know why the Columbine killers did it.
By Dave Cullen
Posted Tuesday, April 20, 2004, at 11:59 AM ET

Columbine killers
Five years ago today, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold murdered their classmates and teachers at Columbine High School. Most Americans have reached one of two wrong conclusions about why they did it. The first conclusion is that the pair of supposed "Trench Coat Mafia outcasts" were taking revenge against the bullies who had made school miserable for them. The second conclusion is that the massacre was inexplicable: We can never understand what drove them to such horrific violence.

But the FBI and its team of psychiatrists and psychologists have reached an entirely different conclusion. They believe they know why Harris and Klebold killed, and their explanation is both more reassuring and more troubling than our misguided conclusions. Three months after the massacre, the FBI convened a summit in Leesburg, Va., that included world-renowned mental health experts, including Michigan State University psychiatrist Dr. Frank Ochberg, as well as Supervisory Special Agent Dwayne Fuselier, the FBI's lead Columbine investigator and a clinical psychologist. Fuselier and Ochberg share their conclusions publicly here for the first time.

The first steps to understanding Columbine, they say, are to forget the popular narrative about the jocks, Goths, and Trenchcoat Mafia?click here to read more about Columbine's myths?and to abandon the core idea that Columbine was simply a school shooting. We can't understand why they did it until we understand what they were doing.

School shooters tend to act impulsively and attack the targets of their rage: students and faculty. But Harris and Klebold planned for a year and dreamed much bigger. The school served as means to a grander end, to terrorize the entire nation by attacking a symbol of American life. Their slaughter was aimed at students and teachers, but it was not motivated by resentment of them in particular. Students and teachers were just convenient quarry, what Timothy McVeigh described as "collateral damage."

The killers, in fact, laughed at petty school shooters. They bragged about dwarfing the carnage of the Oklahoma City bombing and originally scheduled their bloody performance for its anniversary. Klebold boasted on video about inflicting "the most deaths in U.S. history." Columbine was intended not primarily as a shooting at all, but as a bombing on a massive scale. If they hadn't been so bad at wiring the timers, the propane bombs they set in the cafeteria would have wiped out 600 people. After those bombs went off, they planned to gun down fleeing survivors. An explosive third act would follow, when their cars, packed with still more bombs, would rip through still more crowds, presumably of survivors, rescue workers, and reporters. The climax would be captured on live television. It wasn't just "fame" they were after?Agent Fuselier bristles at that trivializing term?they were gunning for devastating infamy on the historical scale of an Attila the Hun. Their vision was to create a nightmare so devastating and apocalyptic that the entire world would shudder at their power.

Harris and Klebold would have been dismayed that Columbine was dubbed the "worst school shooting in American history." They set their sights on eclipsing the world's greatest mass murderers, but the media never saw past the choice of venue. The school setting drove analysis in precisely the wrong direction.

Fuselier and Ochberg say that if you want to understand "the killers," quit asking what drove them. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold were radically different individuals, with vastly different motives and opposite mental conditions. Klebold is easier to comprehend, a more familiar type. He was hotheaded, but depressive and suicidal. He blamed himself for his problems.

Harris is the challenge. He was sweet-faced and well-spoken. Adults, and even some other kids, described him as "nice." But Harris was cold, calculating, and homicidal. "Klebold was hurting inside while Harris wanted to hurt people," Fuselier says. Harris was not merely a troubled kid, the psychiatrists say, he was a psychopath.

In popular usage, almost any crazy killer is a "psychopath." But in psychiatry, it's a very specific mental condition that rarely involves killing, or even psychosis. "Psychopaths are not disoriented or out of touch with reality, nor do they experience the delusions, hallucinations, or intense subjective distress that characterize most other mental disorders," writes Dr. Robert Hare, in Without Conscience, the seminal book on the condition. (Hare is also one of the psychologists consulted by the FBI about Columbine and by Slate for this story*.) "Unlike psychotic individuals, psychopaths are rational and aware of what they are doing and why. Their behavior is the result of choice, freely exercised." Diagnosing Harris as a psychopath represents neither a legal defense, nor a moral excuse. But it illuminates a great deal about the thought process that drove him to mass murder.

Diagnosing him as a psychopath was not a simple matter. Harris opened his private journal with the sentence, "I hate the f---ing world." And when the media studied Harris, they focused on his hatred?hatred that supposedly led him to revenge. It's easy to get lost in the hate, which screamed out relentlessly from Harris' Web site:
 

beilwing

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Yeah, silly. Right. Tell that to the parents of the Columbine students.

Which had nothing to do woth video games. People that are messed up in the head are going to do stupid s__t no matter what they have for entertainment. To try to blame it on something more then them being messed up in the head is rather irresponsible. It takes focus off of what the real issue is a looks for the easy way out. Yeah blame the video games and the music, then when kids get bored, pump them full of ridalin. If they get deeepressed because they just sit arround in a daze, don't worry they have drugs for that to. What's hard is that alot of parents are both working and don't get to spend as time as they would like with their kids, and for them it is hard. But for the parents that are just too busy in their own lives with "important " stuff like who got kicked off of idol to spend time with their kids, and the kids isn't introduced to what is right and wrong is where the problem is. Video games being violent is ok as long as it's explain and taught to kids from their parents that video games are just entertainment. Honestly, I played pitfall when i was a kid, and I never, not once had the urge to crose a lake by jumping accross aligator heads.
 

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Equating youth violence to violent video games, is just another facet of the "It's not my fault" culture we now live in, that gets nearly everyone oof the hook, because someone or something else is the root of the problem.

No need to take personal responsibilty anymore :(

Many youth listen to rap or play violent video games, yet for some reason, they are able to live relatively normal lives. A few have problems, so it must be the video games and music.

If one is fat, drunk, drugged, violent, or whatever, the underlying cause must be something other than your own doing.

If anyone remembers 70's black comedian Flip Wilson, dressed in drag as Geraldine. When he(she) did something naughty, the response was always an over-the top "the devil made me do it!".

It was a great laugh then. Who knew it would become an anthem for 21st century America.
 
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