Solid steering... OLD!

55'Fleetwin7.5

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I have aquired an older boat... late 50's to early 60's. It has "Solid Steering" meaning a single cable not the pulley system. I have never owned this type and don't know how to care for it. There seems to be a grease fitting aft by the point where the cable ends... How do you maintain these?:confused:

Thanks Tom
 

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

This is the most common steering system in outboard boats today. There isn't much to do if it is in good working condition. If you have a fitting where the cable exits the engine bracket, then squirt a little grease in there occasionally.

The other thing is that they like to be used. If the boat sits for any length of time unused, get out there and give the wheel few turns every now and then.
 

55'Fleetwin7.5

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

So nothing else? No servicing to that big drum the wheel attaches to? It has been idle for 30 (Thirty) years... I will start turning.
 

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Re: Solid steering... FROZEN!

Re: Solid steering... FROZEN!

This system is 50 years old... Has not been used since the late 1960's. It was very stiff until I pumped grease into the zerk fitting... Now it is even stiffer. I made it worse. Anything I can do to fix this?

PLEASE let me know. Thanks,

Tom:eek:
 

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Re: Solid steering... FROZEN!

if not used in 30 years it is time to replace it. what type boat and motor?
 

55'Fleetwin7.5

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

it is a 15 foot fiberglass runabout "Geneva Boat" with a 1957 Evinrude 35hp Lark. Is there anyway to free this thing? I think I "locked it up" when I greased it. Any thoughts?
 

lifeisfun

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

replace,replace,replace
NOT that expensive
 

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

Have you tried a little heat from heat gun (not a torch) to loosen up the grease?
 

55'Fleetwin7.5

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

Can anyone give any direction on how to remove the old one? I took off the steering wheel and un-bolted the hub from the dash panel... On the back, the cable enters the main housing with a set screw and a retaining pin. On the other end (by the motor) it exits a two inch oblong hole in the gunwale. Then through a gimbaled type of mount then to the motor.... Any hints?


Thanks in advance for help.

Tom
 

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post a couple of pictures of what you have.
 

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Sounds like a conversion kit from the old wire/drum setup to single cable setup.

First, disconnect the cable's ram from the engine, and then see if the wheel will turn. It is possable that the outboard has frozen on its pivot, not the cable. This will indicate which is frozen - motor or cable.

Assuming its the cable, then disconnect the other end at the steering helm. Remove the set screw or nut and pin. Then turn the wheel (I think clockwise)and the cable will be driven out. If the wheel still does not turn at this point, then the helm is seized, not the cable.

If the helm drives out the cable (it looks like a heavy cable with a widely spaces wire wrapped around it that the teeth in the helm grip and push/pull) then the ram at the motor end may be seized and with a little heat and a wood block you may be able to drive the ram out of the tube it rides in (should be mounted to the gimbal) and clean and reassemble.

Generally speaking, there are NO user servicable parts in the helm IE, teleflex and others do not sell the internal parts. They want you to buy a new helm. But they do come apart and if its not actually broken, you might be able to clean, lube and reassemble it. If its corroded and seized, then its time for a new one.

Hope this helps.

A new cable and helm usually run $150 plus. On sale you can find them for about $100 or so. I ordered a new 13' cable that fits almost every teleflex helm ever made earlier this summer for about $70 normal price. So if you shop around, you can find good prices on steering.
 

55'Fleetwin7.5

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Ahhhh, Sweet success. I pulled the helm and cable... I used good old gravity and some "Deep Creep" lube and patiently sprayed into cable (from inside the helms drum) It kept taking it and after 15 or so minutes, I closed up the drum, mounted it in my workmate vise and mounted the wheel... After two or three turns, lock to lock, it was turning with one finger! Thanks for all your help... On to the next thing
 

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

Ahhhh, Sweet success. I pulled the helm and cable... I used good old gravity and some "Deep Creep" lube and patiently sprayed into cable (from inside the helms drum) It kept taking it and after 15 or so minutes, I closed up the drum, mounted it in my workmate vise and mounted the wheel... After two or three turns, lock to lock, it was turning with one finger! Thanks for all your help... On to the next thing

Congratulations! Hopefully that is all it needed. Probably just the old grease hardened up. But just to be sure all is well with the cable, after it is all re-assembled, have someone hold the engine so it will not move when you turn the wheel. Then turn the wheel back and forth and there will be some movement of the wheel even thought the ram end does not move. That is just a little slop in the planetary gear drive of the helm. But if you get about 2" movement at the edge of a 12-13" wheel, then the cable lining is worn and the inner part of the cable is able to compress when put under pressure because the outer housing is worn larger than the inner steel cable . A little play is fine, a lot indicates the cable's inner lining is worn and prone to rusting up.

BTW, how did the helm look when your opened it to put in the deep creep? Did you grease up the gears inside?
 

55'Fleetwin7.5

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

Gears looked great! I put a good amount of axle grease in there. I will try the "slop" test tomorrow. Thanks for all that you guys do to make this fun. My next project is a "slip clutch" on my prop... 1957 35hp Lark... Any experience servicing that? It is slipping when at WOT... Let me know if this is something I can fix - or - if it needs to go to a shop.

Thanks, Tom
 

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

I recall reading in the prop forum that some props you can press in a new rubber bushing yourself. But generally, most people take it to a marina/prop shop to be re-bushed. Plus the shop can fix bends or dings in the prop too, making it perform the best it can. Post on the prop forum and you'll get a better answer than I can give you.

Oh, and post some pics of your boat!
 

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Re: Solid steering... OLD!

is the prop slipping or is the lower unit kicking out of gear? this needs to be discussed in the Johnson/Evinrude forum.
 
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