75 Mercury 850 No spark

limaOh9

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Just got this boat...ran it last week with no prob....put in water and fired it up this week and after about 1 minute it quit. No spark....replaced the coil with known good used.....still no spark. Switch Box? I don't know. 1st boat and already frustrated. Please help!
 

emckelvy

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Re: 75 Mercury 850 No spark

More likely it's the distributor "trigger". Unfortunately the main body of the distributor (aka "housing") is inseparable from the little electronic guts of the trigger (it's all encapsulated together), and if the trigger is shot you have to replace the entire body/housing.

Below you'll find the procedure to test for a bad trigger etc.

One very important thing to remember about the Merc CDI ign is that on the Stbd side of the switchbox are a row of terminals, the Red terminal on that side has +12V on it all the time; the white terminal on the same side has Switched +12V to it. When the ign is turned to "ON" the white terminal is energized and you'll get spark. If you get no power to the white terminal she's not gonna spark.

The other thing to remember is to NEVER put power to any of the (3) leads coming off the distributor and connecting to terminals on the Port side of the switchbox. It's possible to blow the trigger in the dist, or switchbox, or both.

Let us know what you find and if you have to replace the trigger, we can walk you thru that.

HTH & G'luck............ed


MERCURY BATTERY-POWERED CDI TEST FOR DISTRIBUTOR MODELS

This test is for the 332-2986 switchbox used from 1967-1978 on all the inlines.

This test assumes your coil is good (problems with CDI coils are rare).

DISCONNECT BATTERY

1. Turn off ignition;

2. Disconnect all 3 distributor wires on the Port side of the switchbox;

3. Remove the HV lead from the ign coil to the center of the dist. cap (remember it unplugs from the coil and unscrews from the cap);

4. Reconnect the HV lead to the COIL only;

5. Position the free end of the HV lead approx. 3/8" from ground (block, shrouds etc), and find a way to hold it there;

6. Jumper the brown and white terminals on the dist. side of the switchbox to each other.

RECONNECT BATTERY

7. Check that you have +12V at the red terminal (even with the ign off);

8. Turn on ignition and verify +12V at the white terminal (same side as the red terminal);

9. Ground the black terminal on the distributor side of the switchbox - this should cause a spark each time you touch ground.

If you get spark with the distributor bypassed, and it won't fire with the distributor connected, the trigger is bad and the entire distributor housing assy must be replaced.

If you get no spark using the test, the switchbox is probably bad. In that case, be sure to check for correct power on the switchbox, check all connections, and check the coil's resistance to make sure it's OK.
 

limaOh9

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Re: 75 Mercury 850 No spark

Thank you for your help! I will try the diagnostic testing you mentioned.
 

limaOh9

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Re: 75 Mercury 850 No spark

I thank you again for your help. I did the test you stated and I had spark from the coil. So, I am assuming I need to tear out the distributor and replace since the trigger unit is all one piece with the distributor? How hard is this and should I hire it done. I am a Diesel Tech so have a great deal of Large Heavy Duty maintenance experience but this little thing.....It was all I could do to get my fingers in to take off the coil wire.....Hell the alternators I work with are bigger than this motor. Are there exploded drawings somewhere and step by step instructions to perform this task? Any help would be beneficial. Thank you in advance.
 

emckelvy

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Re: 75 Mercury 850 No spark

It's not really that difficult, but your best bet would be to pick up a Mercury Service Manual for your motor. Biggest deal is getting the distributor apart with out ruining the rotor, it's quite an expensive piece in itself.

You don't need much in the way of special tools; you can either purchase an inexpensive Merc flywheel puller off eBay (one that screws into the center threads of the flywheel); pull (2) opposite bolts off the center hub of the flywheel and use an automotive harmonic balancer puller (I'm sure you've got lotsa pullers in your line of work!) with Grade-8 5/16-NF puller bolts; or you can just pull all the bolts off the center hub of the flywheel, separating the outer ring and flexplate from the center hub. Reassemble with one drop of Red Loctite on the bolt threads and torque to 25 ft-lbs.

Probably the easiest to deal with is to pull the flywheel bolts but you've got to be extra-careful to align the distributor and flywheel to TDC so you don't have to move anything when you pull it apart. Note where the flywheel went so you can put it on the same way.

I can't recall but on your motor, it may have thru-bolts to hold the distributor to the block. If that's the case, you don't have to pull the flywheel to get the dist down. But of course there's a lot of small nuts and bolts to deal with!!!

Have any skinny-fingered mechanic friends????? You'll need one for the little bolt that holds the belt guard onto the distributor pulley! Once that is removed, gently pull the belt off the pulley and the pulley itself is pried up with pressure evenly applied to both sides. Before you pry away, note that there's an arrow cast into one of the ribs of the pulley. This points to the TDC mark/centerline of crankshaft and is a critical alignment point.

Once the distributor is out, there are lock tabs in the top "nut" that pry inwards; the "nut" unscrews to reveal a small ball bearing; 2 holes in the sides of the housing are pry points. If you're very very careful, with a couple of "tweaker" screwdrivers you can pry the bearing out without ruining the metal shield. Pry to the outer race and it'll come right out.

With the upper ball bearing out, get a 3/4" deep socket on your butterfly impact; hold the rotor in the other hand in a leather glove; and 'hit' the nut which is deep into the dist shaft with the butterfly. She'll knock right loose.

After the nut is a spacer tube. At that point the only thing keeping the rotor in the housing is Sheer Will. Keep a good hold on the copper "chopper" disk that sits under the rotor, and tap the rotor shaft with a plastic mallet. The rotor assy should come right out, leaving a larger ball bearing in the bottom, held in by a snap ring. You'll want to renew both the bearing and the snap ring when you reassemble.

Be sure you mark the "chopper" disk so you know which side faces outwards; you can install backwards and that wouldn't be good!

Assy is the reverse of disassembly, most important thing is to get the dist. belt reinstalled correctly, and to check/adjust ign timing when you're done.

There's your quick synopsis, but I'd recommend getting that manual anyway, to fill in all the Scary Details!

Check out the store at this site for parts, if you don't find what you need there's several other places you can try such as the following:

http://www.boatfix.com/searchcdi.asp

http://www.seilermarine.com/rapair/mercury-mariner-85-hp.htm

They seem to have the best prices but may or may not be in stock. This trigger is also used on Inline Sixes and is a very common replacement part. You might also find a Hot Deal on eBay or on your local www.craigslist.org

HTH & Happy Repairs.................ed
 

Chris1956

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Re: 75 Mercury 850 No spark

Lima, You do not need to pull the flywheel to remove the distributor. On some motors you need access to the top of the dissy attachment point on the crankcase, other so not need this access. If you need to get to the top of the dissy, remove the 8 5/16 fine thread bolts that ring the fluwheel nut. The outer flywheel will then come off.

You might set the flywheel to TDC before you pull it. it will be a bit easier to reinstall both the dissy and the outer flywheel
 
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