Johnson 30

perwel

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I have a 1986 with electric start. Recently I've been having trouble keeping the engine going when starting - both cold and hot. It turns over and starts but then sputters out. After about 4-5 times reacting the same way the engine then seems to kick to a different level and then runs like a champ. Any ideas?
 

jonesg

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Re: Johnson 30

What have you done lately, rebuilt carbs?

Just bumping you up...
 

perwel

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Re: Johnson 30

Just replaced the plugs which didn't make a difference
 

jbjennings

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Re: Johnson 30

Sounds to me you may have a weak coil or a bad powerpack, but, the first thing I would do is a spark check. Then, if spark is good on both and will jump a 1/4 inch gap with a nice blue snap, then I'd rebuild the carb. Can you give any more details on what it's doing? Make a big, long, description. There are certain clues that make the solution to a problem much less obscure. At least for me, anyway.:)
JBJ
 

perwel

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Re: Johnson 30

Thanks JB. I'll do my best to further describe the situation.

When I first start my motor fresh off the trailer I expect to have to coax the engine to start by choking and multiple start attempts. Once it starts and warms up the motor typically would restart with a single push of the starter button. Recently, even after the motor is warmed up, it takes me 4-5 attempts to get the motor started and finally have to "catch" it by quicly putting it into gear and increase the trottle before it stalls. Once I "catch" it the motor runs without hesitation. It never doesn't start but I'm afraid it's headed that direction.

fyi - The carburator has never been touched in the 22 years of operation (50 hours per year) and the boat is winterized by the book each fall. The power pack was replaced about 4-years ago when the engine started but would not accelerate.

I'm a novice so can you explain how to test according to your suggestions once you feel comfortable with your diagnosis. I really appreciate your help.
 

jbjennings

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Re: Johnson 30

Howdy again,
Almost surely it's a gummed up slow idle circuit and a good carb cleaning should fix it. It doesn't sound electrical at all, now. One question, how does it idle once you get it going? If it runs half throttle and higher good, but doesn't idle, it's probably a dirty carb. It could be something else but not likely, especially with the 22 year thing on the carbs. That's actually incredibly good and it's obvious you took care of it since it has made it this long without a carb. cleaning. If you need some pointers just post your questions and I'll give it a shot or someone who's really good will fill in. I will say this, if it has the primer knob on it, be carefull you don't break off any nipples for the fuel lines which is incredibly easy to do. You'll need fuel lines, too, since they're most likely hardened by now. Myself, if I were you, I'd consider the following while you're at the carb:
1. new carb kit
2. new water pump impeller if you haven't changed it recently
3. new fuel lines and marine ties instead of hose clamps
4. empty/clean your fuel tank
5. new lower unit oil and o-rings for the oil drain/fill screws. they'll leak if they're not new.

Also, don't be afraid to do the carb. yourself. Outboard carbs. aren't hard at all unlike automobile carbs.
Just get all the little passages clear and blow them out with compressed air after you soak it in carb. cleaner. I've heard guitar string wire is good to get the little passages clean but have never actually tried it. Do it in a really clean place and don't lose anything.. Actually, most of the little parts (and they're very few) are contained in the carb. kit. And don't go crazy overtorquing the carb. mounting nuts on reinstallation.:)
BTW, you'll have to take the starter out to get to the carb mounting bolts.

P.S.--it could just be a clogged fuel filter, but I doubt it.
 

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Re: Johnson 30

One more thing,
If it idles good after you get it going, it may just need an adjustment in in your throttle cables or controls themselves. Hopefully someone else will check in and help you out. There's usually some folks here that will jump on this and tell you immediately exactly what it could be. I'll bet your last description will help a lot.
Good luck,
JBJ
 

perwel

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Re: Johnson 30

Thanks again JB. Excellent dialogue and appreciate the vote of confidence with regards to the carburator work.

I failed to mention it has tiller(?). The motor does struggle when idling not to stall. It doesn't quite stall but I can tell it's struggling based on past performance.

It does have a primer nob so I'll be careful with the fuel line nipples

I truly appreciate your input!
 

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Re: Johnson 30

i agree with all of these
1. new carb kit
2. new water pump impeller if you haven't changed it recently
3. new fuel lines and marine ties instead of hose clamps
4. empty/clean your fuel tank
5. new lower unit oil and o-rings for the oil drain/fill screws. they'll leak if they're not new.

the hoses could be sending little flakes into the carb, here are carb cleaning instructions.
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=244013
 

perwel

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Re: Johnson 30

Back again. Have the carb kit but can't for the life of me figure out how to get the starter out. A couple screws were obvious and were removed but there must be others that aren't cause it's still solid in place. Any hints or diagrams?

Thanks
 
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