Merc 5.0L stalled and now won't start

Viddi

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I just bought a new (to me) boat, and on her maiden voyage she was running fine. After about 45 minutes, I was pulling a wakeboarder, and she just died. I tried to star her again, and she would turn over, but wouldn't fire.

Things I have checked:

1. There is no kill switch. There may have been one in the past, but it has ben rewired, and he may have bypassed it. I have yet to eliminate this as a potential problem.
2. Fuel system is fine. I thought it would be the culprit, but I ran an AUX tank with a direct line, and also squirted a little into the carbs...no firing.
3. Had a buddy help me test some of the electrical. The coil is transferring power (not sure if it is the right voltage, but the coil looks brand new???) to the distributor. When I checked the distributor, I am not getting spark. When we hooked up the multimeter to one of the cable terminals on the distributor (with the coil attached) the needle did not even move.
- When I popped the cap (which looked new as well) there was one (of 4)screw that was broken, and it looked like a bit of corrosion on a sensor (Hall effect sensor? the slotted metal cap under the rotor rotates through a gap in the sensor)
- I am not sure what the sensor does (or if that is the right name?), but is it possible that it would limit spark to the plugs if that sensor has failed?


Other Helpful ino:

-I was told it is a merc 5.0l 1992 rebuilt engine. I am not sure of the serial number, and I am not at the cabin to check.
- Both batteries are brand new, and have a good charge.
- I took off the oil cap to crank it over, so I think the timing chain is good. (i read on another post to check that, but I may have just sounded like an idiot)
- As mentioned it has been rewired, and it looks like a bit of a rat's nest! It is possible that a wire has popped loose, (given the symptom of it just stalling out) but if the coil is getting power, wouldn't that mean that the wiring is good up to that point?

Thanks in advance for any help. Please keep it in fairly simple terms, I don't know a lot about motors, but I have learned a ton in the past few days, and am willing to learn more...I can google the terms I don't know :) I can't afford to take her to a mechanic right now...I just spent all my money on a boat!!
 

achris

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Re: Merc 5.0L stalled and now won't start

Your post is a bit confusing, but I'll try to help...

Did you say that the coil is producing a spark, but it's not getting to or past the distributor? If that the case, then replace the rotor and dissy cap, or coil lead.

Chris.........
 

Viddi

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Re: Merc 5.0L stalled and now won't start

Sorry, I am still not sure of all the correct terms.

We hooked up the multimeter to the coil, and there was a reading. When we tried the same thing on the distributor (we took one of the plug wires off, and hooked up the multimeter) and the needle did not even move.

It looks like the cap and rotor have been recently replaced, but the bottom half looks like it has had some moisture. The switch on the bottom of the inside looks to be older...

My main question right now is - if the hall effect switch (if that is what it is called?) being faulty would prevent spark from being distributed to the spark plugs?
 

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Re: Merc 5.0L stalled and now won't start

Sorry, I am still not sure of all the correct terms.

We hooked up the multimeter to the coil, and there was a reading. When we tried the same thing on the distributor (we took one of the plug wires off, and hooked up the multimeter) and the needle did not even move.
Are you talking about the large wires that go to the spark plugs... If you are, DON'T put your multimeter in there!!! You'll need a new meter real quick...

It looks like the cap and rotor have been recently replaced, but the bottom half looks like it has had some moisture. The switch on the bottom of the inside looks to be older...

My main question right now is - if the hall effect switch (if that is what it is called?) being faulty would prevent spark from being distributed to the spark plugs?
The sensor has nothing to do with distributing the spark to the plugs, that's the job of the cap and rotor... The sensor just pulses the coil, producing the spark....

You probably have a Thunderbolt IV ignition system... Find a service manual and you'll find a troubleshooting flowchart.... that will give you a step by step guide to determine what's faulty....

Chris........
 

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Re: Merc 5.0L stalled and now won't start

Are you talking about the large wires that go to the spark plugs... If you are, DON'T put your multimeter in there!!! You'll need a new meter real quick...

The sensor has nothing to do with distributing the spark to the plugs, that's the job of the cap and rotor... The sensor just pulses the coil, producing the spark....

You probably have a Thunderbolt IV ignition system... Find a service manual and you'll find a troubleshooting flowchart.... that will give you a step by step guide to determine what's faulty....

Chris........

Thanks for your help so far...If the sensor pulses the coil, then it could still be a faulty sensor?

How do I know if it is a thunderbolt IV ignition? It does say thunderbolt on it, but I am not sure of the IV part. As for the service manual...he has rewired everything, so I am not sure a manual would be too helpful?

Any other ideas of common reasons why it would die suddenly, and not produce spark anymore? Am I at least on the right track LOL
 

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Re: Merc 5.0L stalled and now won't start

Four main components in the ignition system...

1. Sensor in the dissy
2. Ignition module (sometimes called 'Amplifier') either bolted to the port exhaust elbow, or the outside of the dissy (later models)
3. Coil. Turns 400 volts into about 20,000. :eek:
4. Dissy, HT leads and spark plugs.....

Any of these could be faulty, including the sensor in the dissy...

Download the appropriate manual for your engine and do the diagnostic on the ignition system to find out which bit don't work.....

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=251571

Chris..........
 

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Re: Merc 5.0L stalled and now won't start

Thanks for the links...I will do some reading. In the mean time, I'll check back if anybody has any insight or ideas. I was hoping to have a pretty good idea of what's wrong before I go back to the cabin b/c I don't hvae easy access to parts...
 

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Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Background - Boat ran fine, then stalled out suddenly. Fuel system is fine, and now troubleshooting the ignition system - No spark

I did a bit of reading, and I figured I need to replace the ignition sensor in the distributor. I was just about to order the part, when I realized I may be on the wrong track...

1. As far as I can tell, the ignition sensor sends an intermittent pulse to the coil, based on the timing? True or False?

2. My buddy put a multimeter on the HT wire coming from the coil (appearantly he was NOT supposed to do this lol) and he got a reading (I am not sure of the voltage.) If this is the case, would that mean that the ignition sensor IS working by sending the pulse, or is it possible that there will still be current from the coil with a bad sensor? Could the sensor still be bad based on this info?

3.Perhaps we tested it wrong? He simply put one of the leads in the HT wire from the coil, and grounded the other. The needle moved when we tried to start it... Am I a complete Idiot - True or False
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Am I a complete Idiot - True or False

Not enough information to make that determination yet. ;)

Actually not enough info on the engine yet either. What are you working on?
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

I was told it is a 1992 rebuilt gm 5.0l v8.

I just bought the boat and it died on the first outing...actually, that's not true, it ran fine when I went for a test ride with the previous owner :)
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Merc, volvo, OMC??????

If you don't know which igntion system you have a picture may be in order.....

By the way.... your friend is an idiot and doesn't know how to use his now broken multimeter
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Merc, volvo, OMC??????

If you don't know which igntion system you have a picture may be in order.....

By the way.... your friend is an idiot and doesn't know how to use his now broken multimeter

LOL...I figured he knew what he was doing...BTW the engine is a merc.
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

got a serial number???

Or do you know if it's TB4 or TB5?
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

got a serial number???

Or do you know if it's TB4 or TB5?

No Serial as I am not at my cabin (where the boat is), but I think it is a TB 4. Keep in mind I am new at this, but very willing to learn...:cool:
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Being as it's a rebuilt 92, the original ignition for a Mercruiser would have been the Thunderbolt IV ignition.

Here's the troubleshooting flow chart for the TB4 ignition.

TB4troubleshooting.png
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

DUPLICATE THREAD!!!

Here's the original....

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=275398

People have already been answering you on this thread... Why have you started another with exactly the same issues?????

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Chris..........
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

I just merged the posts together, so now, all the information is in one place.
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

I just merged the posts together, so now, all the information is in one place.

Now that IS a cool trick!!! :):cool::cool::cool:
 

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Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

Re: Ignition sensor needs to be replaced?

DUPLICATE THREAD!!!

Here's the original....

http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=275398

People have already been answering you on this thread... Why have you started another with exactly the same issues?????

:mad::mad::mad::mad:

Chris..........

Sorry about the duplicate post...I don't post much. I figured it was a different topic now that I was about to buy the sensor, but realized that it may not be it. I figured it would b easier for someone to read specifically what the question was without having to go through all the reading of the other post...

Once again, thanks for all the help...I'll post next weekend when I get a chance to try to install the sensor....
 
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