We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

MrBigStuff

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

This is a very thought provoking situation. The little devil guy on one shoulder wants to do the irrational thing and cut the boat loose. The more rational guy thinks a bit and realizes that this opens you up to liability. But you still want to teach this idiot a lesson. We see them every day, people who can't wait their turn, think they're better than everyone else, etc. It's frustrating dealing with these self centered morons.

I checked my NH boater's guide and it specifically states it is illegal to untie a moored vessel without the owner's consent. Probably a fairly universal law/regulation. So if anything bad happened, you likely would be liable for any damages.

Assuming I went for the fantasy revenge route- if I wasn't ready to go, meaning his truck came down before mine, I might be inclined to putt out a good distance with his boat in tow and then just park there relaxing. What? You want your boat? Swim for it pal...

More likely I would have waited until I was ready to go. He's a no show? Then I tie him off to the pier I left from. He shows up beforehand, then it's go time...
 

ezmobee

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

I had a good one this weekend. This idiot goes to retrieve his boat and with the water being cold he didn't want to get too wet so he didn't back the trailer in that far. He nosed the boat onto the trailer and proceeded to crank it in using the winch. All was going fine till he got the boat about 2' from the winch post. He cranked and cranked for all he was worth but the boat didn't budge. Finally it occurs to this moron why the boat wasn't moving.....it was still tied to the dock! So he gets up on the dock and tries to untie it but of course the rope is way too tight. So he has to get back down and back his trailer in a little bit more to free it up. He does this and is finally able to get the rope untied and the boat winched the rest of the way up.

This moron was me :)
 

lowkee

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I had a good one this weekend. This idiot goes to retrieve his boat and with the water being cold he didn't want to get too wet so he didn't back the trailer in that far. He nosed the boat onto the trailer and proceeded to crank it in using the winch. All was going fine till he got the boat about 2' from the winch post. He cranked and cranked for all he was worth but the boat didn't budge. Finally it occurs to this moron why the boat wasn't moving.....it was still tied to the dock! So he gets up on the dock and tries to untie it but of course the rope is way too tight. So he has to get back down and back his trailer in a little bit more to free it up. He does this and is finally able to get the rope untied and the boat winched the rest of the way up.

This moron was me :)

Good thing you didn't back up an extra two feet. You may not have noticed and might have driven off with the pier still attached to the boat. That would have been REALLY inconsiderate to others.
 

ezmobee

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

Good thing you didn't back up an extra two feet. You may not have noticed and might have driven off with the pier still attached to the boat. That would have been REALLY inconsiderate to others.

Especially the couple guys who were standing on it at the time witnessing this whole debacle!
 

vintage boat junky

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I had a good one this weekend. This idiot goes to retrieve his boat and with the water being cold he didn't want to get too wet so he didn't back the trailer in that far. He nosed the boat onto the trailer and proceeded to crank it in using the winch. All was going fine till he got the boat about 2' from the winch post. He cranked and cranked for all he was worth but the boat didn't budge. Finally it occurs to this moron why the boat wasn't moving.....it was still tied to the dock! So he gets up on the dock and tries to untie it but of course the rope is way too tight. So he has to get back down and back his trailer in a little bit more to free it up. He does this and is finally able to get the rope untied and the boat winched the rest of the way up.

This moron was me :)

Not really a moronic move, as the problem was fixed without any real time delay or inconvenience to others. I did that myself due to high winds; cranked until the mooring line was taught, but I was still able to untie it. Cranking too tight can happen to anyone. That hardly qualifies as a dumb move in my book.

Now, in response to the untying of the moron's boat: The answer is simple. If the law says you can't untie someone's boat and send it down river, don't. Instead reel your boat on the trailer, secure it, and drive up the ramp with moron's boat dragging behind. "Didn't see it" will be your answer, now the liability is on him.


But Oh, do I have some more stories since this season opened up. I told you about the neighbor that backed his new motor into the garage door frame, tilting the 130hp Merc almost all the way up, and slamming down; guess who did it again? This time he stopped before it flipped up, but I definately saw it hit.

Moving onto the ramp: I don't know where to begin. I have a local access near my house that I frequently use. It was the first and only nice day, 82 degrees and sunny with 50mph winds. Since it was surrounded by 60 degree days I had to brave the high winds to take advantage. I am at the access, wind is coming right up my ***** on the ramp, and I put it in with no trouble. I'm testing a prop (the original that came with the boat) to see why it was replaced with a nicer brass one.

I get out on the lake, kick it up to full gradually, and my RPM's hit red and beyond all of a sudden. Right away I knew I had a spun prop. So, simple fix I head back to the access to change it out again. Well, when I left there was a fiberglass trihull I/O that 3 younger guys were working on. There was also another guy hanging around not seeming to be doing anything or associate with anyone.

Well, the guys were working on the engine, and couldn't get the motor to start. I'm not an I/O type, so I keep to my own. Well, the other guy just hanging around asks about my boat; how old is it, where did you get it, and so on. I like my classic old rig, and I tell him the story. His response is "That's great! That's wonderful! Now that's a real true MN story right there."
I wouldn't have minded him so much seeing as he was pleasant, except for the fact when I launch my boat, don't grab onto it and say "dont worry, I got it" when I repeated about 5 times to let it go. Sure it was windy, but I have a method. Let the wind take it back up to me, so I can jump onto the dock via my bow. (bumper is far past waterline, and I don't care to get wet just after iceout.)

Anyway, the story of my boat was not that interesting, so I quickly put together that he was bombed beyond comprehension. When I told him for the 5th time to go ahead and let go of my boat, he didn't seem to understand I had a plan. He repeated "Ok man, it's your boat. It's your boat." That went on for a couple minutes.

So when I returned to swap the prop, he had his rig in the water. A sail boat that was comparable to a surf board; stack two together, and that was the size. Well, the wind was coming against the shore we were on. He said that he was planning on getting it out for the first time this season. But, was waiting for the wind to die down. I kindly pointed out that the wind will die down when it's too late to sail. He still couldn't make up his mind. But he did say "if ya see me capsized for more that 5 minutes, I'd appreciate ya checkin' on me."

So, red flag #1 goes unnoticed. If it's that risky, don't do it. Which of course would go unnoticed because of red flag #2; if you're BAC is about .20, you shouldn't be operating watercraft, let alone the truck towing a trailer to get to the access in the first place. So, me being the nice guy I am, I have alot of patience (usually). So I'm listening to him rattle on about how windy it is, and should he go out, and man I have a nice old boat... I looked at his rig alittle closer.

I said, "Say, you don't have a motor on this thing, how would you get out there; paddle?" Then he looks down at his rig dumbfounded, looks at me, and says "I forgot my paddles". So, I told him "Looks like I just made up your mind for ya." He then left.
 

vintage boat junky

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

My next story:

Kind of a long read - but it all happens at the boat access.

So I've been out and about a few times inbetween incidents until one day.....

I arrive at the access, weekday just before the afternoon rush comes. By rush at this access means 4-5 rigs pull in. I go out, get some sun, get hungry, come back to the car. Well, there's an old trihull at the dock. I beached my boat away from the dock, as I was going out again and don't like blocking traffic. Well, this younger college age guy walks up and asks me if I have jumper cables, as someone stole his 2 marine batteries out of his boat the night before. I'm a pretty good judge of charactor and despite seldom believing sob stories, this seemed pretty legit. Afterall, he wasn't asking for money, gas, or a ride. Just jumper cables.

So I agreed, and as I said yes he shouts down to his buddies, "Bring the bike!" I walk down there with the cables, and they drove some old crotch rocket down onto the dock. They hooked it up, (the boat did have a battery, but the motor wasn't firing) and the jump was successful. So I took my cables back to the car, and as I did so, they took off. As I was walking down to my boat again I notice one of their friends (the one with the bike, who when he had to park it, got ditched) at the dock. Then, as I thought - Gee if they had to jump it at the dock, and they shut it off out there or it dies, how would they get it back to the dock? I saw their boat sputter to a stop in the middle of the lake.

So, the friend at the dock says, "Well looks like they're stranded out there, not much I can do but shout moral support." I said, yeah, and at this point realized I was the only one there with an operable vessel. So I motor on out there, and there they sat. I offerred to tow them back, and they said, "Well if we could just hook onto your battery, we should be able to get it started again." Evidently this 60's Evinrude 65hp couldn't start for sh*t. My battery wasn't even enough to start it. I realized right away that the motor needed some serious tune up.

So after all that was done, they tell me that they have their own jumper cables and it was hooking the battery up to the motor, and he knocked off one of the cables and that's what killed the motor. Now, I have an old Evy, and I never heard of a gas motor such as that needing constant battery contact to keep running. Seemed a bit fishy to me, but they wouldn't listen to my points that the motor itself needed repair. The owner said "I tried to kill this motor last year and couldn't, Evinrudes just don't die!" He continued to tell me how this thing hit a sand bar at full tilt, and a slew of other abuse. I pointed out that when it was running, I didn't see water coming out of the exhaust port.

They reassured me that it was okay because "there's another output under water." I said, well if you smoked your impeller, you're well on your way to blowing the motor.

So I told them to grab my line and I towed them back. (They weren't too concerned about getting back to the dock, where their friend stands alone waiting.)

So I swung them back to the dock, and once again grabbed my jumper cables. I knew it, I was thinking it, but I just couldn't bring myself to say "No, get your own, get a rig that works, fix it THEN come to the lake." But, I didn't. Instead I watched them hook it up once again, only to arc the points on the bike, and BOOM! There goes the battery caps. Now they have a dead boat, AND a dead bike. They were also kind enough to melt 2 holes in my clamps. These guys were nice enough, but just college age reckless drunks that care only for the moment. I know many like this in my family, so perhaps that's why I tolerated their idiocy. I hear comments like "Man, I hate this access, I always have problems when I'm here."

Gee whiz there kid, I can't imagine why that is. Then he goes on to say "Man, I should have brought the I/O instead. In fact, I think you were here last time we had it out, and that drunk guy was trying to use his sail boat."

Yup- the guys working on their boat that day, were the same ones working on their boat this day (a different boat I might add).

So my patience is hereby run out. I asked for my cables back, and couldn't leave the access just yet. No, instead another guy shows up. He's got a nice old rig, 1957 aluminum Cadillac with a 60's Johnson on it. Nice restoration project, but once again- group of thoughtless drunks who can't get their motor to go.

So I get asked once again - "Hey, do you have a wrench?"

Ok, now I'm not above lying. NOPE! Sorry, I was unprepared to come to the lake today!

They eventually got it in gear after reving up the motor into the red - can't tell you the cringe I had hearing that poor thing being wrenched on.

Point is - I can understand having an unexpected problem on the water, getting towed in so you can get it home again to fix it. But at WHICH POINT DO YOU CALL IT A DAY?!?!?!?! This went on for 4 hours!

I hate those who just don't get the hint! It's simple - boat not work - no fun, go home. No tools, can't fix, go home. Battery gone, can't start motor, go buy one before coming out.

Access = bad times, nothing works - BE PREPARED AND FIX YOUR SH*T! They at one point asked, "Man what's it like having a motor that starts on the first try?"

Great! But at the same time, terrible because then I'm the idiot's only lifeline!

Some side observations - Drunks with Caddy boat got out of truck with open beers. While working on motor, one drops an unopened bottle at the dock. They take off, guys with trihull fish it out (water is still pretty cold) and promptly drink it. As one is drinking it, his buddy is shouting at him that he better slam it, because if he stops he's going to punch him in the jaw.

Drunks in Caddy driving at full speed around access end of the lake. If they stopped, the motor wouldn't go back into gear. They never slowed down as they whooped and hollered holding up their beers. Where's water patrol when you need them?

College idiots take 30 minutes trying to get trihull back onto trailer, trailer rollers don't roll, as the wheels hardly did either.

Inbetween these 2 groups of idiots, another comes with a new boat. Jack-knifes his trailer 3 times before getting it to the waterline. When it does reach there, it's 45 degrees to the shore, stearn facing the dock (which has 2 boats tied up with attempted repairs going on). So the boat won't launch straight off because the dock was in his way. So he wades with his pants into the water, behind the boat, and lifts it over the side.

(Was a small fishing boat, 7 1/2 hp Johnson.)

He has his wife, and 1 year old with, and they go out. 10 minutes later, they come back. Trihull idiots ask them if they're having trouble too. The wife answers, "No he's just got to go to work." All that trouble to use the boat 10 minutes, and come back in. So he attempts to get his boat on the trailer again. Backs it in, clips it on, pulls out with the *** end of his boat 45 degrees off the side of the trailer. What is it with him and that angle?

After seeing his face that said, "God I gotta do it again?" I kindly suggested lifting over the side. He did, and he was gone.


WHEW! I'm out of breath. May seem like weeks worth of stories, but no. It was ONE DAY where it all happens; at the boat landing!
 

Shizzy

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Re: We need a dang boat launch ettiquite lesson...

Ill keep my latest short.

a guy pulling a tinny behind a clapped out Chevy Astro Van comes in the out in the parking lot and then has this confused look as to how to get his trailer pointed the proper direction (never noticed that he had driven in the wrong direction).

backs up to the launch without any prep.gets out at the launch and starts loading gear.

gets back in and starts to back the trailer in. this is when I noticed he still had it strapped to the trailer. a few people stood there yelling and waving their arms but it took a guy to run up and bang on his window to get him to stop.

he finally unhooks the transom straps, back it in and slides it off the trailer...... then realizes he doesnt have the bowline in his hand. :eek: luckily it was within reach.

then he manages to smoke his tires pulling up the launch with an empty trailer.


the next guy in line was pulling a rather large aluminum boat with a Pontiac Bonneville.......... :eek:
 

vintage boat junky

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Hilarious! I've seen similar happenings time and time again. I'll add another one but I promise it won't be a novel.

I was coming back in to dock after being on the lake for a good part of the day. There was like 5 highschool age kids fishing on the dock. Well, another boat was ahead of me, he got his boat on the trailer and they pulled out. All the while I was waiting about 100 yards from the dock. Pretty evident I'm waiting to use the dock.

I pull up and the only girl that was with them had enough sense to reel in her line. None of the others bothered despite having seen me approaching. Now, this access has plenty of shoreline, but they all chose to crowd the dock. So as I'm pulling up, I usually dock the opposite side of the ramp, in case someone else comes to put their boat in before I can get to the ramp. Helps keep things moving.

So I attempt the left side. The girl reeled up and cast of the right. None of the others bothered, so now there's lines on both sides of the dock. I stop and wait, then they look at me like "what the hell, make up your mind". Finally I got Pisssed and beached the boat.

Much to my surprise; a drunk guy sitting on the shore starts cussing out the teenagers, "GET THE F**K OFF THE DOCK NOW!! THAT'S A PUBLIC ACCESS DOCK, NOT A FISHING DOCK. CAN'T YOU SEE PEOPLE TRYING TO BRING IN THEIR BOATS?!"

I was stunned. Pisssed as well, but I wasn't about to blow my top as I expect that from youngsters not to have a thought of consideration. So I said "Thank you!" to the drunk guy who threatened to call the sheriff on them if they didn't move right away. I guess sometimes you get help from the least likely of sources.


...Then there was the adults that didn't even bother reeling in their lines as I was walking around them with my mooring line in hand, moving my boat from one side of the dock to the other. I'd expect more from them, but they were so educated they had their 2 year old kid running around on the dock unattended, in the water unattended, and didn't bother with the life jacket.

Only at the boat landing....
 

vintage boat junky

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Sorry, the more I write the more I remember. I'm storing all my stories here for reference so I can start my book: "It All Happens At The Boat Landing"

I see a couple arrive in a small car with a canoe on the roof. Not unusual. Guy gets out, he's 400+ lbs. In a simple little Coleman canoe you get from Fleet Farm. So I'm thinking, I'm leaving but I want to stay and watch what happens. So I lolligag while tying down the boat. Then his wife gets out, she's about 250-300 bucks. Plot thickens. (No pun, honest.)

Then he starts unloading the canoe and ALLLLL that gear. Folding chairs, a small grill, minnow buckets, fishing rods, etc. I couldn't figure out what he planned to do with all that stuff. If he sat in the very middle it might support him, but his wife? One thing I noticed they didn't unload was lifejackets. So, I'm becoming psychic at this point and start to hesitate if I really want to stay and watch what's unfolding.

So I finish with my tie downs and securing all my stuff. Then I see they get a 1 year old girl out of the car. And still, no life jackets to be found. That's when I decided to leave.
 

MercGuy

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Sometimes it can get down right scary at the ramps.

Recently at the end of the day I nosed my boat to the end of the dock and my wife jumped off. Then I backed out of the way. A guy holding his boat at the same dock while waiting for the trailer gave me a dirty look.

I puttered around and then my wife backed our trailer down the ramp and I drove up on it and we pulled out (we're pretty quick at it).

The guy that gave me the dirty look was still holding his boat waiting for the trailer. He glared at me and yelled something to the effect of what made me think that I was so special I could jump to the beginning of the line.

As my wife pulled me up the ramp I tried to explain that the trailer takes priority, and first trailer in is first trailer out. He yelled back several obcenities at me.

I was in a parking spot wiping my boat down, and the guy had finally been pulled out. He came over to me, fists clenched, and started calling me every name in the book.

He wouldn't listen to a word I had to say, and I was truly afraid for my well being. I don't think I would have faired well in fight with him.

He finally got tired of yelling at me and walked off. I got out of there quickly.

Sometimes it doesn't mater if your right...
 

Schmoe

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Over here, there are two kinds of launchers. The country boys and gals that can get in and out within minutes, and the "city" folk that can't back up, drop the trailer in too low, pull the boat out about 5 feet and then proceed to wipe down and unload OR pull the boat up to the launch and stop about 5 feet short of the water and then proceed to load up all the gear, walk to the store to get ice and stuff, and then put the boat in the water.
 

newguy138

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I was a new guy this year, launched for my first time about a month ago. I went on a monday night to a small launch so I was free to screw up and screw around without anyone yelling at me.
 

vintage boat junky

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I was a new guy this year, launched for my first time about a month ago. I went on a monday night to a small launch so I was free to screw up and screw around without anyone yelling at me.

You're new, but you're smart. That's what I did my first couple times out alone. Once you develope a system that works, you're home free.

As far as the guy that's wanting to do nothing but fight: Let the cops deal with him. He's probably got a long history of assaults, disorderly conducts, and I'll bet he's quite fond of the booze. Me, I don't back off of a fight usually (because I know I'm right or I won't argue, and can fair well) but before it gets to that point my mouth is quick enought to either diffuse it, or put the facts on the table for all to see.

Back in the 70's, my ol' man would have invited it. There were no warnings or dirty looks. He just went after them. A full blooded scrapper who was not to be messed with. (There's more road rage stories than boat ramp.) He wasn't the type that would go out just to look for fights, he was considerate and good at what he did, but couldn't deal with the inconsiderate *****holes in a rational way. In a way I pitty them for having to learn the hard way. But some deserved it.

You were right though, first trailer comes, first served. You go by the line of trailers, not the boats at the dock. Because, how are you to know which order the boats get to the dock? That guy was an idiot and I'll bet when he blows his top the next time, the guy might recognize he's full of it and blow his right back at him. If it were me I'd have blown up right back at him for blocking the ramp side of the dock. If the dock is full, I'll not hesitate to beach it. Takes 5 minutes for me from beach to pull out. No room to biitch.

My advice is; if you're going to blow your top at someone, make sure its on your way out. Because if you're arriving and leave your vehicle/trailer unattended, it leaves a vulnerable target for the opposing party. A cheap shot yes, but then again if consideration/common sense is already out the window, what's left to stop them?
 

vintage boat junky

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Wow, some things never get old. I was out last week and puttered waaaay to the south and found another access. I was considering using it, but couldn't get a clear shot from sattelite. So I went there via boat. I got off, took one look and got back in the boat. You couldn't even park there; it was a dirt road right off the county road, you had the ramp part and then the "circle" part that dumped right back out onto the road.

There's alot of resorts around there, so I figured that was mainly for them to use. Anyhow, as I'm leaving there's a truck pulling in with a new ski boat. Nothing new to me, but I couldn't help but notice as I was trolling away that they were taking a bit longer than usual to put this boat in. Despite the access being under construction (replaced cement bars and added alot of gravel rocks) it was still an easily usable ramp.

I hear the guy talking to his woman, "we've got problems". So I stick around in case maybe they need a hand. I'm out about 100 yards, not gawking but glancing periodically. I can't help but notice their "problem" was they couldn't get the boat off the trailer. I was thinking to myself, "You know you may want to at least get the back roller wet."

Oy.
 

LAWDOG2001

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While it is true that most places do not have "rules of etiquette" posted it's up to us to help the new people out. Some people don't have the right vehicle to do the job, other's can't back down their own driveway ...WITHOUT a boat in tow. Countless times I have gotten out of my truck and guided people down the ramp or hooked up my truck to theirs to pull them and their boat out of the ramp- if only to make way quickly so that I could launch my own. Sure they're embarassed, and later, during the week they'll go back and practice so that when they see you again- you'll be impressed. It's not just courtesy ON the water. ;)
 
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