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tshupe5

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anyone know what would cause my 1987 yam Pro-v 150 to bog and surge inconsistantly> at first it was not so bad but latley it was everytime i got up to 4000 RPM and would not let me go any faster like it had a blockage.yesterday it happed ay all speeds and i barely got back to the ramp>HELP PLEASE?
 

triumph190

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Re: frustrated

When was the last time the carbs were rebuilt?
New plugs?
Compression check?
How long has the gas been in the tank? It may be going bad.
 

tshupe5

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Re: frustrated

carbs were rebuilt 3 years ago and i have ran it at least twice a week since. Just replaced plugs and fuel filter along with the water seperator. And the gas is fresh every weekend. Can't figure it out and i dont have the extra cash to take it in.
 
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Re: frustrated

Its dirty carbs,high speed jets clogging.Take screw out of bottom of bowls and let gas drain out.possibly sucking up trash in bowl at higher rpm's.try this before taking in to mech.
 

Woodnaut

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Re: frustrated

I would pull the carbs off myself and go through them carefully and methodically - one at a time. Take your time and make sure they're clean.
 

tshupe5

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Re: frustrated

Thanks for the advice Woodnaut. I will pull them off tonight> Will i need to replace gaskets if the ones on them are fine? And do you know what is in a rebuild kit besides gaskets? I had a tech do the carbs 3 years ago and i am assuming everything should be ok except the possible build up or clog somewhere> Do you think it could be the feul pumps?
 

kandil

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Re: frustrated

If you are planing on reusing the gaskets make sure you DO NOT get the carb cleaning stuff on them they well get bigger!!
 

tshupe5

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Re: frustrated

Thanks for the suggestions guys< I have yet to take the carbs off since it is such a big job> I took my son out fishing today and the boat still has the problem. Thought it might work itself out. I pumped the ball while on plane and no change in RPM so I guess the next thing is to tear down the carbs. I was just hoping it was something more simple like fuel pumps or a ball. Could the ball create this symtom?
 

tshupe5

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Re: frustrated

Anyone know where i can find out what year my outboard is? Yamaha Pro V 150H 6J9 L 303816. I am thinking about buying a carb kit since i will be taking them apart to clean them. Any ideas as to how to soak the carbs? I read somewhere that if you rebuild them you need to soak them over night.
 

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Re: frustrated

When you pull the carbs apart a quick look in and around the bowl will be able to tell you whether or not you need the soak treatment; if there is gunk crusted on then yes, remove all jets and rubber parts and soak, blow air into all the holes; is no gunk build up then a clean with mixed fuel and blowout with air will do the job. As your last service was 3 yrs ago, you should replace gasket, all 6 needle valves, float chamber gaskets,and top plate gaskets.
 

cousinabe

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Re: frustrated

I understand not wanting to pull the carbs... have you tried pumping the ball when the symptom occurs?

My friend has twin 200 carbed motors, on one of them, he constantly had to chase the rpms and would get intermittent surges. turned out to be faulty spark plug caps that were out of spec on ohms resistance. this is a five minute check.
 

tshupe5

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How do i perform this ohm test? And Yamajoe< where can i get these parts for the carbs? Sounds like a rebuild and i have had no luck finding a kit for a 1987 prov 150h, is it compatible with another year? Everbody that i have checked has 85-86 and 91 and up but not showing anything for my year.
 

Y-KNOT?

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Re: frustrated

Just had a similar problem with my Suzuki's, it turned out that ethanol was eating away my fuel lines from the inside out. Did you chack the fuel filters to if you a little pieces of rubber clogging them up?
 

tshupe5

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I did check the fuel filter and it seemed ok. I am going to find the carb kits and rebuild them. The mechanic who did the rebuild 3 years ago said there should not be any build up on the carbs since i run it so often but suggested that there may be a jet clogged with something small. Which means i need to tear them down to find out.
 

rodbolt

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Re: frustrated

you are describing a fuel issue.
when was the last time the fuel pumps were rebuilt or replaced?
as far as the carbs go its very simple. if you dont tear the carb to intake gasket they can normally be reused,always replace the fuel bowl gaskets.
if the needle valves are not leaking then all I would change is the orings on the high speed jets,if applicable and the bowl gaskets.
its old enough that without pictures of the carbs or the powerhead its hard for me to get more specific out of memory.
but lets do a bit of testing.
test compression
test spark,it must be able to jump a 7/16th gap.
after that the average back yard guy is stuck with fuel.
at the shop the next step would be a fuel system vacum test.
we have a pump with a vacum guage and a flow meter set up, what your looking for is less than 4"Hg at WOT which is roughly 16GPH for your engine.
if that passed it would be on to test wheel YB1626 and a session with a peak reading multimeter if electrical problems were suspect.
you can monitor ign coil primary and secondary voltages with the correct test equipment, also pulser coil voltages can be monitored.
I dont like resistance tests much as I would rather see the loaded working voltage outputs.
if the oil control module has been replaced recently it will have black resistor plug caps but originally the Pro V 150 motors from 84-93 had standard plug caps.
the electronics are rather bullit proof and very easy to test.
you can buy an analog peak reading meter anyplace that sell sierra products for about 90 dollars just be aware unlike digital stuff it is polarity sensitive.
its how I ended up with 2 stevens CD-77 1 seriia merc 2 flukes and a couple of radio shack meters.
just depends on what I need to check and where.
flukes we dont take on the water,they dont swim well at all.
OTC,snap-on and a few others make a Kv tester to test the ign coil secondary voltage.
thats why I say after the fuel system tests and a good carb cleaning the back yard guy simply doesnt usually have the test equipment or training to use it to justify the cost of buying it,come to think of it I know a lot of techs the same way.
so lets start with the basics,vacum guage is about 20 dollars and you will need a few T fittings. T into the system between the engine filter and the lower fuel pump intake,at WOT you should see between 1 and 3"Hg, less usually indicates an air leak more indicates a fuel restriction.
carbs on that engine are very simple do clean as the pilot fuel jet and themain jets are located in the fuel bowls.
remove and dissasemble the bowls,soak just the bowls and jets,spray the carb body out DO NOT soak the carb bodys.
reassemble with new bowl gaskets and main jets orings as applicable. no need for full kits normally unless the needles are leaking which causes flooding at low speeds and doesnt fit your description.
 
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