Bigtwin 40hp 1963

hollowjacket

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Hey there, been a while since my last post, since then I have bought a 1963 40hp bigtwin.
I have it all hooked up and can't get it to start. I checked compression and I get around 100 on both cylinders. I get a spark on both plugs, and the electric start works fine. I am getting fuel to the carb.
The carb bowl just keeps filling up with gas and coming out the mouth of the carb intake where the butterfly valve is. The engine will just keep trying to start, but won't.
What should I do? My guess is that the carb is gummed up and the float is the problem.
If so, what does a carb kit do that a good cleaning doesn't do?

Chris
 

tmcalavy

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

A carb kit replaces worn/old parts inside, mostly gaskets, etc. If you have gas coming out the carb throat the needle valve that shuts off the gas once the bowl has filled up is not seating/closing. All it takes is a little piece of crud to cause this. It's also a good idea to clean/flush all the fuel lines when you clean the carb...you can get the carb spotless but then crud re-enters from upstream in the fuel system. You can spray a little fuel pre-mix right into the carb throat when trying to start it, bypassing the carb. Sounds like yours is flooding badly.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

your carb has adjustable jets, get it clean, float adjusted. you may have a cork float that is fuel logged, if you do Laingsoutboards.com has the floats. here is the general principles of carb cleaning. http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=244013

after cleaning and rebuild, uses these direction, there are 3 set of direction, for 3 different carbs.

this is the kit you want, has new float with it. http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...gd_poid=109344&gd_row=45&**********=747886228
 

hollowjacket

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

What exactly do you mean by adjustable jets? Can I see them? How do you use them?:confused:: Sorry, I'm motor stupid!!
I took it into the marine shop last night and they said for 65 bucks they can tell me what is wrong and what it will cost me to fix it.

Chris
 

freddyray21

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

surprised they even offered to look at anything that old. The jets are the two needles on top and bottom of the carb. One is for low speed or idle and the other is for high speed. I'm not sure if the 63 Big Twin 40 has a fixed high speed jet or not one of the guys here will tell you. The carb needs to be taken apart and cleaned out. Then new parts put in.
 

glassmaster68

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

should be type 2 carb,,,adjustable low speed needle valve top vessel side of carb,,,,for high speed,should be an oriface,,non adjustable ,,,recommending a manual,,,,,seloc manual,avail here on i boats,,,,,good investment if trying to fix yourself,,i had the same prob,,,,,got a carb kit,,,you may have to order the new float/valve and seat,,,seperately,,,but i would def try a carb kit,,,my float was cork and the needle valve retaining spring was in the wrong place for it to function properly,,,so the valve wouldnt close,,,either way it sounds like your float valve isnt closing either, and fuel will def pour out the front of your carb
 

mottt

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

your carb has adjustable jets, get it clean, float adjusted. you may have a cork float that is fuel logged, if you do Laingsoutboards.com has the floats. here is the general principles of carb cleaning. http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=244013

after cleaning and rebuild, uses these direction, there are 3 set of direction, for 3 different carbs.

this is the kit you want, has new float with it. http://www.iboats.com/mall/partfind...gd_poid=109344&gd_row=45&**********=747886228


I have the same motor and I need a carb kit / float. This link looks like its for a different year not a 63. Anyone have any input?
 

tootallofwa

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

I have the same motor and I need a carb kit / float. This link looks like its for a different year not a 63. Anyone have any input?

I have one too. The "exploded view" picture that tashasdaddy posted is the carburetor that I have. It has the water heated choke and only low speed adjustment.

To rebuild it, clear a work space and try to remember how things come apart.

Disconnect hoses, take out the plug from the float bowl (to drain it,) disconnect the linkage, then take it off, (I had to loosen the recoil starter and remove the starter motor to get at it.) Take the low speed needle and packing nut off, take out the packing and washers from behind the nut (using a pick or piece of wire.)

Look at the needle tip for wear. If it has any, you'll have to replace it.

If you have a different model with the high speed adjustment, remove its needle, packing nut and packing.

Then take the float bowl off. Pull the hinge pin from the float, remove the float and needle. Take out the needle seat (this can be tough, use the correct size screwdriver.) Completely remove exposed gaskets.

You don't have to take any thing else off.

Check to see if either throttle or choke shafts are sloppy or loose in their bores. I mean they should twist but not wiggle side to side. In and out some is OK. If they wiggle you are S.O.L. get another carb.

Clean with solvent and blow out ALL the air passages. (holes that don't have screws.) Pay attention to the low speed (where you pulled the needle out.) and the high speed (bottom of the float bowl, behind the plug.)

Crud can build up in the bottom of the bowl and block the high speed orifice.

The kit comes with gaskets, float needle & seat, packing/washers (for high & low speed needles.) Some kits include the float and hinge pin. (if your float floats then it's OK.) My kit came with some press fit plugs (cupped disks) you won't need them, DO NOT replace them.

To assemble, insert nylon washer, two packing rings then a metal washer then packing nut (loosely) into the low speed needle orifice. Screw in needle till it just seats then back it out 1-1/2 times. Tighten the packing nut till the needle is stiff to turn.

For the High speed (if equipped,) use 4(?) packing washers and turn it out 3/4 turns from lightly seated.

Screw in the new float needle seat tight, with a new gasket (nylon/fiber.) Be careful to not booger it up. Drop the needle in, then put the float and hinge pin in over it. (Use new ones if supplied in the kit)

Turn the carb upside down examine the float. It should hang parallel with the bowl. When rightside up the needle should move up and down with the float.

My kit came with a small spring that holds the needle to the float to pull the needle down. It was a pain getting it hooked right. It kept falling off or getting hooked crooked jamming the needle. I managed by hooking it like a safety pin around the needle. The needle Must move freely up and down with the float.

Put in new bowl gasket, tighten bowl evenly. Put bowl plug in with new gasket, tighten firmly.

Put new carb to intake gasket in and install carburetor. Connect linkage, fuel and water lines, (Don't mix them up...)

Re-attach starter(s). Be sure to synchronize carb with magneto.
:D:D:D

I also have a 62' Johnson 28hp that has a very similar carb, It has an electric choke and the highspeed needle. The housing & linkages are the only difference.
Did I miss anything???;)
 

tootallofwa

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

Synchronizing 63' 40hp Big Twin.

First it's easier to see what's going on with the flywheel off.

On this model, there is a pointer cast into the housing of the carburetor, on the intake end, on top, kind of wedge shaped. Open the throttle so that the line on the stator plate cam, (brass fin kind of thing that the throttle linkage cam follower roller rides on,) lines up with the pointer casting.

The throttle butterfly is supposed to JUST START OPENING at this point. Adjust the throttle butterfly by loosening its screw, letting its spring close the butterfly. Tighten the screw.

You're done... put it back together.

Different models have similar but different methods. Check your book!
:D:D:D

The pointer is actually on the block just past the port carb bolt.
 

mottt

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

Thanks for the response. I was actually referring to the carb kit.
The carb kit recommended for a 40hp 1963 by tashasdaddy looks to be for a 1971 - 1990. I think its a different carb. Anyone know if there is a kit for a 63 with float that I can get... or if this kit recommended will work.
 

tootallofwa

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Re: Bigtwin 40hp 1963

Thanks for the response. I was actually referring to the carb kit.
The carb kit recommended for a 40hp 1963 by tashasdaddy looks to be for a 1971 - 1990. I think its a different carb. Anyone know if there is a kit for a 63 with float that I can get... or if this kit recommended will work.

I went to my Evinrude dealer and ordered one. But you can check this place out.

http://www.maxrules.com/fixomccarb.html

I'd go with #439074, it has the fuel pump filter too.
 
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