1st timer LOTS OF QUESTIONS !

NSBCraig

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cool man just making sure, I've seen people argue to do it even on high horsepower setups.

I was kind of scared he'd misunderstand.

Oh no after I typed that I realized... No not your post the guy above yours said outer skin.... that's what I was talking about.
 

lovemylake

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Not to worry. Even as dumb as I am regarding this project I don't think I would cut the outside shell. Yeah the inside got mangled while I tried to get the cap off. I'll keep going & be back with more questions later. Thanks Bryan
 

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Re: 1st timer LOTS OF QUESTIONS !

PHEW!

I was afraid that I suggested something bad...

Alan
 

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Hay bryan jusr seen your on Higgens, what side ?? I got a buddie that i work with has a place just off the lake on the north west side !! I love higgens, except it allways so cold !! hahaha John
 

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I'm 2 miles east of s.state park. Yeah higgins is so nice! It does get warm for a few weeks each summer.
 

lovemylake

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Hi guy's, I finally got back to work on this boat! It's been a long cold winter here in Michigan.
I have a few questions about my next steps.
First let me see if I can get my latest pics posted.

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1. Should I replace the transom before the floor?
2. This boat had 1 stringer that was Not connected to the hull. I'm new to this & expected it would be glassed to the hull. Do I want to glass the new one in?
3. Should I laminate my 2 3/4 inch plywood transom together then install it or put first peice in then the next?
4. Should I use pressure treated wood for my stringer?
5. I understand I should put several layers of glass on my transom. Do I do this all at once or do 1 layer & let it cure then again & so on?

Thanks for any help. I've never work with resin/glass before. Thanks Bryan
 
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NSBCraig

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Hey sorry been busy.

Yes I'd do the transom then the floor.

The floor runs into the transom so it has to be done that way.

Yeah laminate the two pieces of 3/4 together then put it in the boat.

Yeah isn't that crazy how the stringer just touches the hull.

I'm using ply laminated together to make mine and unless it's marine I wouldn't put PT in my boat.
 

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Re: 1st timer LOTS OF QUESTIONS !

Great to see this project moving again!

1. Should I replace the transom before the floor?
2. This boat had 1 stringer that was Not connected to the hull. I'm new to this & expected it would be glassed to the hull. Do I want to glass the new one in?
3. Should I laminate my 2 3/4 inch plywood transom together then install it or put first peice in then the next?
4. Should I use pressure treated wood for my stringer?
5. I understand I should put several layers of glass on my transom. Do I do this all at once or do 1 layer & let it cure then again & so on?

Thanks for any help. I've never work with resin/glass before. Thanks Bryan

1 Yes, do the transom first.
2 Yes, glass it to the hull
3 Laminate first, then install.
4 Yes, pressure treated works very well.
5 If you can get one layer on before the previous layer sets, its good. If not, and your using epoxy, wash off any anime blush, and apply next layer. If poly, sand then apply next layer. If using poly, be sure its laminating resin, and not finish resin (it has wax in it for final coat).
 

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4 Yes, pressure treated works very well.

He knows it's recommended that you don't by the plywood assoc. and still loves to give bad advice trying to prove some unfounded point.

Regular PT is not kiln dried and sure you might get it dry enough if you store it inside long enough with weight on it so it doesn't all warp up.

It's your boat in your boat when it was built and there is more reason not to then any benefit.
 

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He knows it's recommended that you don't by the plywood assoc. and still loves to give bad advice trying to prove some unfounded point.

Regular PT is not kiln dried and sure you might get it dry enough if you store it inside long enough with weight on it so it doesn't all warp up..

Craig, that is not true at all. The ply wood association NEVER said not to use treated ply, in fact they said that pressure treated ply has many uses in boat building. In fact there are a number of pressure treated marine grade plywoods available.

I'm not going to get into a discussion about this again. The facts are the facts, and many people have used it with great success. I would love for someone to find one post where anyone said that their pressure treated boat failed in any way.

When you make this statement that I "still loves to give bad advice " You are lying, and I and everyone else on this board has no use for a lier so you better think again before making statements like that.
 

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Re: 1st timer LOTS OF QUESTIONS !

enough of the bickering between the 2 of you.

personally i never put pressure treated wood in a boat. that is my preference. i don't care what any association says. i do not use marine plywood either, exterior, properly sealed will be fine.

this come for 40 years of professional wood working.
 

ezmobee

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I used 3/4" PT for my deck. I didn't know anything about the possibility of it eating the aluminum at the time. So anyway, it's still nice and flat and I've had no issues, though it may be eating through my stringers as we speak.
 

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You know they specifically advised against boat builders using non kiln re-dried PT.

Just what your advising the poster to do.

That's cool you like to experiment, but how about you let people know that's what your up to.

I'm glad it worked for you but to advise some not to use regular ply and not to use marine ply but to use regular PT is giving bad advice.

For some reason you insist on stating this advice every chance you can and I think it's rude.
 

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This is a picture of some regular ext. plywood that I used to temporarily "patch a patch".

I sealed all the voids in the edges with marine bondo and the painted it with epoxy primer and hi-solids moisture cured poly....4 yrs ago. The pedestal seat holes have some rust around them but it has held up better than I expected.
This was over wet foam.
See the pics in my thread for further pics

I am now trying do the job properly,with similar plywood prep and good fiberglassing technique, it should last 30 more years.

Cheers
 

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lovemylake

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Thanks guys. You know since I decided to do this project I've tried to read as much as possible on this board & also some books. (Just finished Jim Andersons book). The thing that is confusing is that I seem to get a lot of contradictory imformation. But I'll keep listening & try to sort it out.
Just hope you all can stand my rookie questions!
By the way should I cut out that small remaining peice of transom that holds the drain plug? Thanks
 

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Oh yeah get that chunk out of there.

Nobody minds rookie questions at all that's the cool thing about the forum- getting access to a bunch of cool people.

Fate keeps plotting against me or I'd be farther along on my boat which is basically the same as yours.

Need it together by the May get together so really need to get to work on it.

The Baja resto thread and all the threads he keeps starting on the boat is pretty much the same boat too. You should check it out.
 

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hey Lovemylake, good to see another Michigander working on a boat here. This seems to be quite a hotbed of activity as of late. Good luck with the project.
 

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OK I'll cut that little peice out & plan to put a new drain plug in.
Next question, Should I build the new transom to the height of the skin of the existing transom? If you look back at the first photos I posted you can see where there was a repair by previous owner. He cut out about a 12 inch peice & glassed in a hunk of 2x4.
I'm thinking I should build the new transom even to the top where you can see the original orange metal flake then when I replace the cap I'll just have to fill in a small area somehow. Anyone agree? Thanks
 

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You know they specifically advised against boat builders using non kiln re-dried PT.

Just what your advising the poster to do.

That's cool you like to experiment, but how about you let people know that's what your up to.

I'm glad it worked for you but to advise some not to use regular ply and not to use marine ply but to use regular PT is giving bad advice.

For some reason you insist on stating this advice every chance you can and I think it's rude.

1) The marine industry does not care what the APA says. Thats pretty obvious or they would be using marine grade plywood when they build boats. BUT THEY DON'T.

2) There are numerous boats being built with PRESSURE TREATED PLYWOOD and other TREATED plywood in boats. Go look it up yourself.

3) The materials you suggest to use ROT WHEN WET. Thats why all these people are rebuilding their boats on these forums.

4) There are many tests of applying poly and glass on wet P/t ply and it sticks just as good as on dry. That has been documented on this forum by private individuals and the APA.

5) Using pressure treated plywood is NOT experimenting. People have been doing it with great success since the 1970's and no one (except NSBcraig) takes issue with it. And like I said before, boat manufacturers even use it.

6) Don't complain in 3 years when you find water in your transom again, and the wood is rotting. The clock is just ticking away.

7) Here is the APA (nsbcraigs reference) talking about tests they did with pressure treated plywood, and end up endorsing pressure treated ply in boat building when dry, even though their tests at 90% moisture show no significant degradation of performance. Go figure. http://glen-l.com/wood-plywood/fiberglass-plywood.html



So if you don't like treated plywood in boats, just say so. Find some support of people having problems from treated plywood in boats, if you can.

But don't lie.
 

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I get it. Some say treated wood, some say not. Now back to my questions. Thanks
 
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