Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

rnvinc

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Ok guys, please be gentle. I pulled a stupid one and now I gotta pay the piper. I have a 1994 Johnson 50hp with oil injection with an external oil tank.

My boat sat for 2 years in the garage, so I had no idea what to expect. I keep the batteries on charger/maintainers so I wasn't really worried about it turning over. I even actually started it and ran it with the water hose earmuffs for a few minutes in the driveway, but I really wanted to get it out on the lake where I could open it up and at least see if everything still worked before taking it fishing.

So I launch it at the lake, start it, and the oil alarm starts beeping. This has happened occasionally before so I pump the priming bulb on the oil tank and the beeping stops.

I run it down the lake about a mile and back to the ramp. I notice a couple of times during the jaunt that the motor sounds like it kind of flutters slightly at full throttle. I just figure this is because of sitting for 2 years or maybe some gum buildup in the carbs. I hear no other noises during the trip.

When I am idling towards the dock the motor flutters again and dies, and trying to restart it... the motor will not even turn over.
Pop the cover and find that I cannot even turn the flywheel by hand at all. So my first assumption is either the motor seized up from no oil injection (no alarm other than the first one I described when I first started it) or something broke and seized up in the lower unit.

When I get back to the garage I pull the lower unit drain plug and the upper air relief plug to drain lower unit oil and check if I can find evidence of metal on the lower unit drain plug..... no oil comes out of the lower unit.

I'm pretty sure I drained the lower unit oil putting it up for the winter 2 years ago, but because the plugs were actually inserted back into the lower unit I assumed that I had refilled the lower unit with lube. My BAD mistake!! I guess sometime during the 2 years I put the plugs back in the lower unit so as to not lose them, and didn't fill the lower unit with lube.

So, now, I guess my question is... what would be the first things I can check to see if my problem is the powerhead or the lower unit or both? I can afford the lower unit anytime but the cost of a powerhead replacement will take some fancy financial footwork in these tight economic times.

Where do I start...besides kicking myself in the head?
 

Benny1963

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

drop your lower pull your plugs squirt some two stroke oil in each cyl .
if it dont turn over by hand you got a prob ,
 

Benny1963

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

didnt see the part were ya said the lower had no oil,
hopefully ya didnt damage both.good luck welcome to iboats
 

freddyray21

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

drop the lower and see if the powerhead turns. More than likely it will, but the lower is toast.
 

HighTrim

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

...and if you do determine that you fried the lower, dont overlook the fuel restriction alarm you got before getting her on the water again, that will be even more costly.

Go to the FAQ's and look for a thread entitled,Awakening a Sleeping outboard, lots of good info for you.
 

mikesea

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

Sure sounds like the lower.I hate to say this,but it will probably cost the same for rebuilt lower as a powerhead.Your best bet would be to look for a good used lower.You might want to do it yourself ,but you need a hieght guage for the gears.If you go to the homepage at iboat,look under the store/then engines ,it will take you to rebuilds.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

you might even get luck and free it up. drop lower, and remove spark plugs, and turn flywheel, if it turns, check compression. if equal with in 10 %, then attach a water hose to the water tube, turn water on and start the motor. if all is ok,, then concentrate on the lower unit.
 

Gary H NC

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

A good used lower should not be that hard to find.
Hopefully once you drop the lower the powerhead will check out ok.
 

mikesea

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

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went over to ebay,this was only one ,its a 20 in shaft,but i think the shafts are easy to change as long as yours is Ok.Hopefully you will have a miricle.Good Luck
 

donny284

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

i am new on this site and want to post a question but dont know how ; can you help me?
donny284
 

david_r

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

Donny, just go to the top of the page in the forum you need (im guessing johnson/evinrude) and click on start new thread.........



welcome to iboats!
 

donny284

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

david
thank you very much. now i hope i can get an answer to my problem.
donny284
 

rnvinc

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

So, is it safe to try and start the motor without the lower attached to it? (as long as I have water going to the water tube)
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

yes, keep the rpms low, it is done all the time in shops. i have done it many times.
 

rnvinc

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

Dropped the lower unit. Decided to check powerhead for maybe ok... Motor turns over good now but no start.

Had to buy compression guage and run search on how to use it...here's the steps I used.

pull kill switch...ground plug wires to block... throttle wide open...turn motor over equal number of times for each cyl.....162psi in #1....160psi in #2...ran test several times with same results.

Nearly equal compression readings so I checked spark....none...I remember having this no spark issue 2 years ago and it turned out to be a loose connection in the quick plug to the power pack....forum searches say this motor is prone to power pack replacements often. So I disconnected and reconnected the quick plug to the power pack...still no spark.

What's the easiest way to test the power pack?

If I can get this power head to start then I know that I'm only facing lower unit replacement.
 

mikesea

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

unplug your large red harness connector,jump positive directly to starter/or jump from positive to the yel/red wire at the solonoid,check for spark while doing so.if you have spark problem is in,keyswitck or your deadman lanyard if u have one or a short in harness ,your harness does not need to be connected to run,if you should ever start in this manner,know you have no kill
 

rnvinc

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

Just to try again, I (once again) disconnected and reconnected the quick plug to the power pack and now I have spark.

Is this an indication that I simply have a bad connection in the quick plug to the power pack or is something really going wrong with the power pack.
 

Harker

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

Sounds like a bad connection. What did the splines on the top of the driveshaft look like? Did it shear any off?
 

mikesea

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

I would say you either have a bad connection,possibly where you disc/reconnected or your keyswitch could be going bad,as far as I have ever seen,a pack goes or its good,its electrical and it burns something out
 

rnvinc

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Re: Boy, did I pull a dumb one!

Great news for me...I guess... the motor started and ran normally after assured spark and connected water hose to tube.

So, I assume my problem would be in the lower unit and running it with no oil in it. That makes sense from the way the motor died on my jaunt down the lake and back. It sounded like the motor "bound up" and slowly died...not "locked up" and stopped abruptly.

Ok, now, for the lower unit...the splines seem to be in perfect shape. I can actually turn the shaft in either direction with slight force.

While turning the shaft the only sounds I hear inside the case is what sounds like a shaft turning in a dry rubber o-ring...I hear no pops, grinding, or loose metal sounds. The drive shaft (the vertical shaft) does not seem to catch or bind at all.

The above effects are the same whether in neutral, forward, or reverse. The only difference being that the prop shaft spins also when in forward or reverse (good news, I hope). There is no difference (nor extra) sounds while in forward or reverse. Nor does turning the drive shaft (the vertical shaft) "feel" any different in neutral, forward or reverse.

Any advise is greatly appreciated!
 
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