Battery keeps dieing

craker

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I have a 17' CC the only accessories I have are Fish finder, Fuel gauge , running lights, 12v cig. lighter for Q-beam. I just wired it all to a fuse panel and my new battery keeps dieing . I have the fuel gauge wired into the ign. switch so it's not on if the ign. switch isn't on.
The running lights are not on the fuse panel.
Only the gauge the fish finder and the 12v outlet

Any thoughts?

thanks
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

i have bought bad batteries before, take it back and have it checked. if it is good, you have something draining the battery. how long does the charge hold.
 

kandil

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

or your motor is not charging it
 

craker

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

I charged the battery w/ jumper cables on my truck at the boat ramp and came home . about a 10 min drive, it was dead when I got home.
I recharged w/ the truck and disconected the running lights and the fuse panel 30 min later still charged trim and tilit working strong. I reconnected the running lights and came back about 15min later still charged so it has to be in the fuse panel. The motor Is a 94 70hp Johnson. Should it charge the battery as I run the boat?
Thanks again
 

a70eliminator

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

One deep cycle battery should just about power that little stuff all season on one charge, your battery mignt have a dead cell, test with a hydrometer or like someone said earlier take it out and have it checked.
 

a70eliminator

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I charged the battery w/ jumper cables on my truck at the boat ramp and came home . about a 10 min drive, it was dead when I got home.
I recharged w/ the truck and disconected the running lights and the fuse panel 30 min later still charged trim and tilit working strong. I reconnected the running lights and came back about 15min later still charged so it has to be in the fuse panel. The motor Is a 94 70hp Johnson. Should it charge the battery as I run the boat?
Thanks again
You need to charge that battery your truck isn't going to do it, is it a deep cycle battery?
 

craker

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

no its a marine cranking. I know I'll have to charge the battery I just wanted to get some juice on it to test the lights/fuse panel. I have hooked up each componet one by one and the charge has held.
 

jtexas

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

I charged the battery w/ jumper cables on my truck at the boat ramp and came home . about a 10 min drive, it was dead when I got home.
I recharged w/ the truck and disconected the running lights and the fuse panel 30 min later still charged trim and tilit working strong. I reconnected the running lights and came back about 15min later still charged so it has to be in the fuse panel. The motor Is a 94 70hp Johnson. Should it charge the battery as I run the boat?
Thanks again

Once the battery is run down, it would take hours to fully charge it using jumper cables connected to your truck. What happened was, right after recharging, the battery has a "surface charge", think of it as some extra voltage, that will dissipate over a few hours (if you were to fully recharge it), or in your case, 10 minutes since you really didn't put much of charge on it at all.

Your outboard shouldn't have any trouble keeping the battery charged if the charging system is working correctly, but once it's run down, you'd have to run it full throttle for a few hours to to get it back up to 100%. If you don't recharge it with a bench charger, it'll go along in a chronic state of undercharge, until it just gets too weak to start the motor.

Adding to the problem, is the fact that batteries self-discharge -- a brand new battery will run down over a few months if you don't recharge it, and it just gets faster as it ages.

If your tachometer stopped working, that's a symptom that your outboard's charging system has stopped charging.

A better way to test the charging system is to get yourself an Autoranging Digital Multimeter (Walmart has one for about $25 -- not the best, but good enough).

Measure the battery voltage with the engine off -- a fully charged battery measures at least 12.65 volts. Then measure it again with the engine running (all accessories off). The reading should be higher with the engine running, and should increase with RPM's (might be little to no change at idle). Any other result, the rectifier is the most likely culprit.

Check the water in the battery, add enough distilled water to cover the plates. Charge it at 10 or 12 amps until done, preferably with a "smart charger" with "float" mode or "maintain" mode. I got one at Sam's for under $45.

Wait 3 or 5 hours for the surface charge to dissipate then check it with your multimeter. Should be 12.65 volts or higher.

If it passes that test, you still should check it with a hydrometer (few bucks at any car parts store), just follow the directions on the package.

If it passes that test, it could still be bad -- only a load test will tell you for sure. Most car parts stores will test it for free.

Storage at less than 100% of full charge is one of the leading causes of premature battery failure, so charge it every couple-three weeks if you don't use it.
 

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

A shadetree way of checking for draw on you battery is to turn everything off and disconnect the positive cable from the battery terminal. Then lightly touch the end of the positive cable to the positive post. There should be no spark when the cable touches the post. If there is a spark then something is drawing. Start disconnecting circuits in your fuse panel and re-do the spark test. Eliminate each circuit one at a time until the spark goes away. When it goes away the last circuit disconnected is the culprit.
Obviously you want to do this with plenty of ventilation so things don't go boom.
 

craker

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

Thanks for all the help.
I took the battery back and had it checked and it was they said it had 0 cranking amps, so after the exchange I installed a new one last night. I checked it after work today, dead again. I started racking my brain what did I do different since the last week. I have had no problems before then. I installed my fuel guage the week before problems began. I remembered the Day before I went fishing with the 1st dead battery I shoved all the control box wire back into the split flex conduit ( along w/ the splice to the Ign. wire that goes to the fuel gauge.) And taped it all up tight. It must be in those wires. Something is draining new batteries in 24hrs. It must go back to the motor. I'm going to charge the battery tonight and look it over tomarow.

Thanks again for any and all help offered
 

Barnacle_Bill

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

Disconnect all the wires on the positive terminal of the battery. Keep everything turned off. Set you meter for amps and connect one lead to the + terminal of the battery. Now touch each wire to the other lead until you find the one drawing current. This will give you an idea where to look. Be sure to check the big red wire going to the motor too.
 

SKEETR

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Did you install the 12v outlet. What kind? Where's it grounded to?
 

craker

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

Yes I installed it. It's just a cheap sea choice outlet. I have it grounded to the fuse panel.
thanks
 

pvanv

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

Agreed with bhile. Time to actually troubleshoot instead of guess. BTW, if you leave the new battery fully discharged too long, it will probably be shot as well. The warranty guys may start losing their sense of humor soon.
 

Shizzy

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

go back and triple check everything that you have changed on the boat recently. I dont know how many times I have pulled my hair out on an issue only te realize I must have messed something up. Sure enough it was something I moved out of the way or disconnected.
 

jtexas

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Disconnect all the wires on the positive terminal of the battery. Keep everything turned off. Set you meter for amps and connect one lead to the + terminal of the battery. Now touch each wire to the other lead until you find the one drawing current. This will give you an idea where to look. Be sure to check the big red wire going to the motor too.

bphile has described a good procedure for quickly tracking down the source of your drain; but you'd want to use a multimeter that has a "fuse-protected input".

Select the "DC amps" setting and plug the red lead into the fuse-protected input jack. Use a jumper wire with alligator clips to connect the red lead to the battery (+). Touch the black lead to each wire in turn; they should all read -0-, otherwise, it's draining the battery. When you get to the 12V feed to the fuse box, connect it with another jumper wire; if you get any reading at all (other than -0-), start pulling fuses, one at a time, until the reading drops, and that circuit is your culprit.
 

bowman316

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Re: Battery keeps dieing

it is a good idea to have 2 batteries. One as a back up. I have a deep cycle and a cranking battery. I use the deep cycle just for troling. And if i drain my starting battery i can use both combined to start the engine. I installed a switch, that lets me choose which bettery starts the engine, or both, it also lets you turn off all batteries.
I would suggest having a deep cycle just for accessories.
You don't want the be stranded cuz of a dead battery.
happened to me once.
 
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