15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

[jaxnjil]

http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_11291092



be a crying shame if they lost some of the carp that hang around the docks there.

 

[jtexas]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Isn't that what we pay the epa to do?

 

[mphy98]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Isn't that what we pay the EPA to do?

no one here is for spoiling the environment, but use common sense. this is minor case of a spill, and by them going there is a waste of taxpayer (yours and mine) dollars. a way to justify there existence. I still would prefer the states to have there own EPA and get the fed out of it. our constitution does not give the government all these powers.
today if the government wants to put anyone in prison, they can find a law somewhere that almost anyone of us has broken and do it. look at Martha Stewart, essentially convicted of lying to a cop (who among us hasn't said when asked by a cop, do you know how fast you were going?) and put in jail for 2 years. they couldn't convict her on anything else but they wanted her and got her. a little off topic but someone opened the door i still believe that if you look close enough you will find a whacked out group that don't like the big gas guzzling boats and torched them. they should put the resources into finding out the real cause of the fires.

 

[chiefalen]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

No one was hurt thank g-d.

Everything else can be replaced, except human life.

Bet in the end someone didn't use a marine part, or a heater was left on 110 powered.

Could have been avoided.

 

[cheburashka]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

no one here is for spoiling the environment, but use common sense. this is minor case of a spill, and by them going there is a waste of taxpayer (yours and mine) dollars. a way to justify there existence. I still would prefer the states to have there own EPA and get the fed out of it. our constitution does not give the government all these powers.
today if the government wants to put anyone in prison, they can find a law somewhere that almost anyone of us has broken and do it. look at Martha Stewart, essentially convicted of lying to a cop (who among us hasn't said when asked by a cop, do you know how fast you were going?) and put in jail for 2 years. they couldn't convict her on anything else but they wanted her and got her. a little off topic but someone opened the door i still believe that if you look close enough you will find a whacked out group that don't like the big gas guzzling boats and torched them. they should put the resources into finding out the real cause of the fires.

So when there's a spill, they should just leave it and trust that it will go away on its own? Come on. The EPA evaluates whether there's a need to put out booms and collect the oil so that it doesn't get into the aquatic life in the lake. They're trying to figure out if there's a need to take further action. I'd assume that most of you eat some of what you pull out of the lake. Wouldn't you like to know whether it's contaminated by oil or gasoline?

As to why the boats burned, who can say? If it had been a whacked out group, you can rest assured they would have taken full credit for it. Boats burn. Just one of those things in life.

 

[RubberFrog]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

I agree with Chebby. What's the world coming too....

 

[fdmsiv]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Why is the EPA worried about a minor spill in a marina while the Dead Zones in the Gulf of Mexico are expected to reach the size of New Jersey this year!

 

[Limited-Time]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Had 30 foot'r burn and sink here a few years back. "They", whoever they are had the spillage contained within 1/2 hour of the sinking, and cleaned up the next day. If it was the EPA good on them, if it wasn't, good on whoever did it. You do it because it's the correct thing to do. No need to gunk up the lake if cleanup is a viable option.

 

[jtexas]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Why is the EPA worried about a minor spill in a marina while the Dead Zones in the Gulf of Mexico are expected to reach the size of New Jersey this year!

Why? Like I said, cause we pay 'em to.

If they allocate 100% of their resource to the Gulf Of MExico dead Zones (let's call it "GOMEZ") could that solve it any faster? Come to think of it, is it in their best interest to solve GOMEZ sooner rather than later? I dunno, I'm just asking the questions. Not sure I want 'em ignoring everything else that happens between now and the GOMEZ resolution.

Hey would you believe that even the U.S. Army has a "marketing" department? And they even call it "Marketing". I know this because I got a letter from 'em recently, in response to my participation in an Army-sponsored event.

Anyways, point is, the EPA is doing a little bit of "marketing" -- a minor spill, issue a press release, let us "little people" know they're on the case. And by "let us know", I mean "make us think".

 

[cheburashka]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Why is the EPA worried about a minor spill in a marina while the Dead Zones in the Gulf of Mexico are expected to reach the size of New Jersey this year!

But if they went after the cause of the dead zones (fertilizer run-off) people would be up in arms about that too. They really can't win. Farmers don't care about fish like fishermen do. Fishermen don't care about crops like farmers do. Somebody's got to figure out how to fix the problems. They don't iron themselves out.

 

[mphy98]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

So when there's a spill, they should just leave it and trust that it will go away on its own? Come on.


You and i seem to be on the opposite ends of the spectrum. i am not saying that you shouldn't clean things up, but a minor spill is something that can be taken care of privately without government intervention. do you realize that if you spill a gallon of gas in a dealership or antifreeze you have to call hazmat. this is ridicules. when you consider oil is oozing up for the ocean at all times, and what about the all the other natural pollutants? volcano's? sulfur pits? methane gas from swamps? we cannot do it all and who is to say how much of the natural stuff is needed by the earth? we are here for a short period of time compared to ho old the earth is. it will be here long after we are gone. we should try to do our best to keep what we can clean at a reasonable cost, but we must use common sense.

 

[jtexas]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

...a minor spill is something that can be taken care of privately without government intervention. do you realize that if you spill a gallon of gas in a dealership or antifreeze you have to call hazmat. this is ridicules. when you consider oil is oozing up for the ocean at all times, and what about the all the other natural pollutants? ...

I don't understand how oil in the ocean (or any "other natural pollutant") makes it "ridicules" to worry about glycol in my drinking water.

I notice you specified that the hazmat requirement applies to dealerships. As opposed to individuals. Obviously a lot of little spills add up.

It's the potential effect of a spill on the community at large and not just the spiller, that makes it a government matter. Not everyone is as trustworthy as your fellow iboaters; somebody's got to keep track of these things. A reporting requirement gives you that little something extra to hang polluters with, if/when you catch 'em down the road. (Remember what sent Al Capone to prison? It wasn't the murders.)

And then, somebody has to determine whether a spill is "minor". What if it turned out to be "major" and EPA hadn't looked at it?

This is just a comment about EPA's existence, not a defense of their job performance (just don't have the facts at my fingertips).

 

[mthieme]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Why is the EPA worried about a minor spill in a marina while the Dead Zones in the Gulf of Mexico are expected to reach the size of New Jersey this year!

This i what I'm talking about.
Wanna talk dead zone - I'm on the Chesapeake....tens of millions of gallons of sewage (courtesy of the State - yea, let's give them control) , State 'spoil' dumping (dedicated areas in fact), etc. But we haven't a had a barge full of acid lose their load in few years running now.
Don't get me started.

 

[chiefalen]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

And the Raritan Bay, part of New York harbor,got to see whats floating in there.

I won't let my kids swim in it.

That bay i have been told by real old salts, used to be a world renown fishery, now forget about it.

Fewer and fewer fish every year.

They do put out a warning about not eating more then 1 fish ever 3 months if it got pulled out of the bay.

 

[cheburashka]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

i am not saying that you shouldn't clean things up, but a minor spill is something that can be taken care of privately without government intervention.

Yeah, but that's kind of like saying the financial markets can be taken care of privately without government intervention.

Or that these boards can be kept from becoming political without moderator intervention.

 

[Don S]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

Or that these boards can be kept from becoming political without moderator intervention.

Hasn't happened yet, and this one is trying to push the limits.

So be real careful if you want this to keep going.

 

[Shizzy]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

that is the EPA's job. Worry about the spill and its effects on the area.

 

[aspeck]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

I have no problem at all with the mitigation of the effects of the fire AFTER it is out and life and possessions are saved as much as possible. However, we had a fire like that at one of our local marinas. I am also a volunteer fireman and we were not allowed to pump the water out of the boats because it would contaminate the water. However, there was no problem to let the boats sink! This would only add more cost for the cleanup, recovery, AND contaminate the water even more! Can you imagine our thoughts when we were told "keep throwing water on the boats and let them sink ... do not pump the water out because that will contaminate the lake!"

Just didn't make sense. I am glad that EPA is protecting our environment, but sometimes people need to use a little common sense!

 

[jtexas]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

I salute you for volunteering, aspeck.

I wonder -- any chance some local bureaucrat just doesn't understand the application (or non-application) of regs in an emergency situation? Although, it occurs to me that a fire might be less likely to spread from a sunken boat (although I have no formal training in firefighting).

 

[aspeck]

Re: 15 boats lost and epa worried about fish

... it occurs to me that a fire might be less likely to spread from a sunken boat (although I have no formal training in firefighting).

LOVE IT! That was our thoughts exactly ... and that a floating 50 foot boat is easier to recover than a sunken one!