what year is my ford v4 inboard?

[badman]

hi folks.
Struggling to understand a V4 i have been given (with boat)
Nothing is connected so some schematics would help asn soon as i can work out which model engine i have?
it's serials are as folows:
722M
T6
6015BA
FORD
3K16

its exhaust manifold is rusted out. Are these available anyone?
What bhp were these?
many thanks all
matt john carey

 

[Bondo]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

Ayuh,... Welcome Aboard...

Considering that there's Never been a V4 Ford used on I/Os,....

It's pretty hard to say What you've got...

Got some Pictures,..??

 

[badman]

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hi. hmm. thats what i suspected.
The stern drive is omc and the controls say 'marine engines'.
some pictures are attached.
thanks for your help
matt

 

[a70eliminator]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

Aha that is definately no question a Ford v-4.

 

[180shabah]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

You have definately managed to find an oddball there. Can almost guarantee that the manifolds are NLA, even the guys with mainstream engines sometimes have trouble finding OMC manifolds (and when they do find them - big bucks)

I usually hate running from "rare" power packages, but you may want to consider a repower with something a little more modern.

What is this in?

 

[Bondo]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

The stern drive is OMC

Ayuh,....

That's Never a Good Thing,...
Along with the Mongrel motor,...
I hope you don't have Alot into it,+ were Planning on a Total Refit of the hull...

 

[DJ]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

That is really weird. I cannot think of anytime was that engine ever offered in the USA. Even in a boat.

It is basically the V-4 version of the "Cologne" V-6 (2.8L) used in Capri and early Ranger.

There were V-4 Fords offered in Europe throughout the Sixties and Seventies and early Eighties.

I'd really like to know the history of the boat.

You MAY have some luck going to a Ford Power Products Distributor. They, at least maybe able to identify it.

 

[Bondo]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

That is really weird. I cannot think of anytime was that engine ever offered in the USA.
There were V-4 Fords offered in Europe

Ayuh,... Matt is still hiding that little tid bit of Information.......

 

[badman]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

THANKS FOR THE REPLIES.
The mongrel engine is probaby from a ford transit, early 70's i reckon.
Its in a 17ft x 7 speed boat with no model on it either!
picture of boat attached.

Boat is covered in dust in a barn and is on a trailer.
Under the dust it seems okay. the hull is good and the fibreglass hasn't started to break down or go thin.

 

[DJ]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

I Googled "Ford V-4" and got this.


That story is just to warn you that if these are marine engines, they might be very different internally from the car engines. What you are seeing is probably basically the same engine as ours. I know that the German Ford V-4 that is in the SAAB was used in marine/industrial applications. I have not heard this about the Brit V-4 engines, which are completely different and were only used in a few home market applications. In a marine application the camshaft and carb set-up may be different, as they are generally used for constant speed running, rather than accelerating and decelerating like a car. It might be a good base from which to build up a new engine, but I'm not sure it would be a bolt-in swap.

The German Ford V-4 used in Taunus cars was available as a 1300cc (with smaller bore, but the same stroke as the 1500cc), 1500cc (as in the European and early US SAABs) and 1700cc (same bore as the 1500cc, but longer stroke as in the later US cars) versions. I don't know what sizes were available in the marine/industrial applications. The Brit engine, which will _not_ bolt up in the SAAB, came in a 2.0L version.

BTW, that is "TAUNUS" not TAURUS.

I think you have WON the weirdest Engine/Drive Combo. award EVER, here on iboats.

 

[DJ]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

Ford made these engines for marine and industrial applciations. (You find them in bobcats all the time.) They came in both a 1.4 liter and a 2 liter version. (Only ones I've seen in teh US.) Even though they are small they are all but bullet proof and are rated at continous duty at 100% output.

Finding a new set of exhaust manifolds is going to be a real issue. In fact finding marine parts for it at all may prove to be next to impossible. I would seriouly consider repowering if you want to keep the boat.

Good info. That's why I mentioned Power Products.

You're right about the marine stuff.

On the other hand, if one got that rig running, you would have a guarenteed "Show Stopper" at an antique boat show.

 

[badman]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

haha.
I've won something? great..
1.6 or 2L and tough eh? great stuff.

Thanks for all the input folks. I reckon tomorrow i will take the manifold off and try to turn the engine over. ( rusty manifold is fouling flywheel due to excessive external flaking) .
If it does turn over then i will consider welding up a nice thick steel plate manifold from some 8mm steel that i have.
Next job might be to check the OMC prop drive shaft and keyway shaft does what it should. fairly greased up so i don't see why not!
weird looking boat eh?
Does water leave thge engine's water jacket via the exhaust manifold with the exhaust fumes?
Cheers
Badman

 

[DJ]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

Does water leave thge engine's water jacket via the exhaust manifold with the exhaust fumes?
Cheers
Badman

Typically-yes. The manifold has a dry tube inside that the exhaust goes through. That tube is surrounded by a water jacket.

The cooling water is then ejected, mixed with exhaust gas, after the manifold.

The whole point is to keep water out of the cylinders. An old manifold should get you the general idea. Cutting it apart may be the best way to see the inner workings and duplicate it. It's a lot of precision work but doable.

 

[dan t.]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

cool old boat ,you should definetly resurect this one.restoring the power package would be nice ,but, a repower might prove to be a lot less problems. good luck

 

[badman]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

The Jury is in and it looks as though the engine in this mystery boat is a Ford Taunus from 1962/65.
A link to it can be found at:
http://www.motorbase.com/engine/by-id/1132505961

Of course the manifold looks to be NLA and that's the tricky bit!

Yeah, the boat looks quite 70's wouldn't you say?
If the engine turns over today then i will consider making a new mani!
I really don't know any history of this boatt/engine combo other than to say the previous owner reconditioned the engine (still has fresh new oil in sump) and replaced the carb.
Shame they didn't empty out the water circ and manifold of old water as the boat/engine sat for about 8 years in the barn and certain bits kind of disintegrated.. like i just found what used to be the air filter in the back. looks more like a peice of fly screen and a hair comb now!
Doh!

 

[a70eliminator]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

3K16
1963 11th month 16th day
Thats how Ford casting numbers translate even to today

6015BA
This is the engineering number
6015 engine
BA one change from original casting

 

[badman]

Re: what year is my ford v4 inboard?

Ah. that's very helpful. Thansk a70eliminator
matt

 

[badman]

matts owens 17ft, ford v4 and OMC stern drive..

matts owens 17ft, ford v4 and OMC stern drive..

Well its time to service the OMC stern drive now its in the workshop.
Many thanks to you guys for the advice so far.
Some of you suggested posting images when i start the drive servicing and the time has come.
I attach a few pictures of the drive and it's unusual mounting.

As you can see water has gotten in there and there is some oxidisation. this wiped off but it needs to be cleaned out.
Tomorrow will be taking the small gear off as i reckon the water is getting in there from the gear side.
Questions...
1 Does the drive tilt worm drive housing take oil or grease? i reckon gear oil like EP90..
2 Where can i get a gasket set for the servicable gear housings of this drive?
3 What should i seal the engine bay with... Just fiberglass 2 part?
4 The drive tilits up and down very quickly. can i slow this down by resisting the current? it looks like it would do damage going so quick.
All i have done is replace the relays and wiring with the same battery as before but the cable and connections are so much better.

The video of the army truck lifting the boat at the workshop can be found at:
http://www.tribidium.com/matt/red-boats.html
Its quite amusing.

many thanks
matt