Crownline feels the economic pinch

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tashasdaddy

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like everything else, non necessities are having the bite the bullet. everything in boating is taking a hit. some worse than others. this is far from being over. were are going to loose product lines. small and large. they have over extended themselves, and now their creditors want their $, which the manufacturer, does not have the income to pay. it is all trickle down effect, the big guy can't pay the little guys that supply them, so the little guy can't pay for his supplies, then the bank forecloses. the banks do want or know how to run that business. it all ends up, hurting everyone.
 

NCLakeboater

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like everything else, non necessities are having the bite the bullet. everything in boating is taking a hit. some worse than others. this is far from being over. were are going to loose product lines. small and large.

I agree. I think like certain car lines (Plymouth) disappearing, companies fighting for survial may have to merge, and some may go out of business.
 

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sad story...about disabled folks losing their job..real sad.
 

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it is all trickle down effect,
ah, so the trickle down effect does work...... unfortunately, it works in reverse of the way the govt. (rich fat cats) has told us.... :rolleyes:
i already knew that though, since the recession of the early 80's.... for the working man, the harder you work, the less you get, the more that's expected of you. the less you get... while the rich get fat, fat, fat, and fatter... to bad it imploded and now the poor really are gonna pay, while the rich clean up what's left... hope we never have to hear about this trickle down effect again from the rich... it only works when it's all falling apart, not when things are good, as it only applies and is good for the rich few...
 

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unfortunately, it works in reverse of the way the govt. (rich fat cats) has told us....

It works both ways and yes the "rich" tend to survive it better, how could they not? They generally have more savings or assets to turn into cash when times go south.

But both ways it does work. When business is good I hire more people which increases employment, taxes etc.

When my taxes are too high the first thing I cut are the costs that I can control. Payroll is on top of that list.

Average income adjusted for cost of living has risen nearly every year... no one has been going backwards except of their own doing.

Higher output = lower costs = more profit = more jobs.

Every manufacturer in this country is facing overseas competition, if you don't keep costs down you're not competitive in the market and you fail.

Look at GM... sold several hundred thousand more cars worldwide this year than Toyota.... GM has lost 47 billion dollars, Toyota earned nearly 30 billion dollars on basically the same revenue... see a problem here? And almost all Toyota's sold in this country are made here.

The difference? Biggest part of it is the UAW and GM's weenie approach to labor and benefit costs in the past.

The same thing happened to our steel industry, ship building industry and soon to our aircraft industry.

While I think "free trade" and agreements like "NAFTA" are partly responsible the other problem is unskilled or semi-skilled workers think they should be living in $250,000 homes and driving $60,000 automobiles.

Cheap imports are good for the same people they hurt, the average joe. Your dollar goes further, you like shopping at walmart or harbor freight etc. but you want to be paid 10 times the wages of the people producing those items to produce similar products here... doesn't work that way and never will.

My "skilled" workers enjoy high pay, live in nice homes, drive nice cars and many send their kids to private school. The assembly line workers do not.

If you want to improve your lot in life then get better skills and elect better government officials who care about this country and not how some third world country who works their citizens at slave labor wages thinks about us.

China has gotten down right rich off of us, Vietnam, Cambodia, Thailand and many other countries have flourished under these agreements.

We've given it too them along with your better pay and benefits because we business owners now have to compete against gov't sponsored companies who pay slave wages and NO benefits other than those provided by their Gov't which amount to next to nothing.

I have a business associate in England... not China who was just told that he's "too old" to qualify for a surgery... and that even if they put him on the "waiting list" he'd likely die before his name came up.... He's coming to MD next week to get the surgery at his expense. Lucky him, he can afford it.

That's govt benefits for you. Talk to some Canadians....

Blaming the people you consider wealthy for your problems is very misguided and fails to consider the cause of your problems (assuming you have any)

Do you realize that over 40% of the people the govt classifies as "impoverished actually own their home? Have more than one car, more than one color TV and more than one computer in their home?

The middle class in most countries that we compete with are in worse shape than what we call "poor"..

Do some travel.... we don't realize how good we have it.

And without the govt trying to prop up the economies of these third world countries by tarrif free trading we're slowing sinking into parity with them.

But the up side is Walmart is cheap...

Sorry for the rant, and definately nothing personal intended, I guess this belongs in a different forum.
 

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I agree whole heartedly with kaferhous, although I work for someone, my wife also owns her own business. While i make a percentage of what the business makes from my employer, a curious thing happens, the more i make the hight the percentage of taxes I pay? How does that work. Before the recession hit my wife's business was doing just gangbusters, the result? The government took 50% in taxes. All that with no investment in our business or sleepless nights with worry during startups. Our government is not the solution, it is the problem. when you take the incentive away for people to work hard and advance themselves with skills and education, IE unions that get way to much power, government rewards for the mindless, you will eventually have a taxpayer revolt!
 

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mphy98, The union has tried to organize our business 3 times in the past 20yrs and they've failed miserably each time.

We post our P&L on the employee bulletin board for all to see every month. I've been doing that for the past 15 or 16yrs.

We have a profit sharing program that's easy for the employees to understand and they can even figure out themselves where we're at as far as bonuses are concerned.

We provide a comprehensive benefit plan for them at very little cost to them (blue cross and blue shield). For a employee that has dependents, it costs the company over $800 per month just for insurance. That alone adds $5 an hour to their hourly wage.... you'd be surprise how many of the production workers cannot comprehend that figure... add in the FICA, workers comp and unemployment insurance....

On average it costs us $8.50 an hour just in benefits payments and that's not including the cost of administering those benefits.

This year has been very profitable, and the employee's got the largest bonuses they've ever gotten. However the writing is on the wall, next year will not be good and they've been told that. Business has been trending down for the last 2 months and sales forcasts are grim. Many of our customers have scaled way back and many of their customers have either reduced production or even temporarily suspended operations.

It's that old trickle down thing as it applies to business. Fortunately we saw it coming and instituted a hiring freeze months ago. We will be scaling back production and with attrition likely will not have to lay anyone off. Now had we not seen these events coming it'd be a different story.

I always look at the end of the food chain so to speak to forcast future results. early action saves tremendous problems later.
 

tashasdaddy

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don't get political here, or it will be zapped.
 

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Agreed. Getting back to Crownline, I imagine other manufacturers could consider a production suspension as demand weakens.


I don't think "considering it" is the issue. I think most all of them will be forced to.

Luxury items are the first to go. Anything that doesn't involve food, shelter or transportation is going to get hit pretty hard.

Around here jewelry shops, nice eating establishments etc. are all taking a hit. Car dealerships closing like crazy.
 

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"Around here jewelry shops, nice eating establishments etc. are all taking a hit. Car dealerships closing like crazy."

I hate to hear that anywhere as i work in one of those! However, that being said, a lot of dealers over leveraged themselves and took what money out without planning for the down times. I have been through this before in the early 80's. For those too young that was when we had 21% interest rates, 18% (i believe that was as high as it ever got) unemployment. So you have to have planned for these cycles. we lost a lot of dealerships then as well. The ones that were left became stronger in the end. However, history will repeat itself and those who don't plan are doomed to failure. Remember that in 1985 through 2000 we had the best years in the auto bus. I am sure it will happen again. The rumors then were ford would be bankrupt, gm and Chrysler to follow. this nation cannot afford to lose anyone of these because the domino affect would be disastrous. I am personally against any free bailout, but to do it the way Chrysler did it in the past with a loan that they paid back would be OK.


This is no way political!
 

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I don't think "considering it" is the issue. I think most all of them will be forced to.

Luxury items are the first to go. Anything that doesn't involve food, shelter or transportation is going to get hit pretty hard.

Around here jewelry shops, nice eating establishments etc. are all taking a hit. Car dealerships closing like crazy.

By considering I mean as one of the options to deal with the economic slow down. I can see other manufacturers perhaps merging to reduce production facilities. Although I certainly hope it doesn't happen, some companies may might even consider moving their production overseas to reduce costs.
 

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I think this should be moved to the dockside chat, getting politcal and a little bit to personal. let's disagree, but not call names and be nice. This country was founded on disagreements that came together. To quote a famous person "we have seen the enemy and he is us"
 

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sorry but it is now closed.
 
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