opinions needed, lets see who knows there types of woods!

[sschefer]

Re: opinions needed, lets see who knows there types of woods!

LOL... if a spar is usually found on a ship then wouldn't spar varnish mean the same thing as marine... I think so...

 

[oops!]

Re: opinions needed, lets see who knows there types of woods!

i dont under stand......why not do it right.

the poly resin and csm are 20 bux more than a bucket of spar varnish....thompsons waterseal or other,,,,, that may or may not work. (if you read alot on these forums.....there is really mixed results).

to "glass it"....the time factor is plus 5 minits work. application is the same.....(you basically paint it on).........however..... glassing will only require one coat both sides......as compaired to 3 coats spar varnish.....dry time with glass is 45 mins max.....spar varnish with 3 coats could be as many as 2 days depening on location..........

so.......its better time wize to do it right......the cost factor is possibly 20 bux....most likely less.

 

[djneff2]

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I am currently redoing my transom and I am using Helmsman's spar varnish. You can do it in the basement when it is cold out in the garage. Gas furnace will give off some stinky odors when using it inside but not bad. I am burning wood right now anyway. I have used Helmsman in the past for exterior furniture and it is great. It tells you not to use it on floors but I did my hardwood floors 8 years ago and they still look brand new. Great stuff.

You need the first coat to dry 4 hours, then lightly sand between coats. Three will do it. I usually just wait until it is dry enough to sand. First coat dries quickly.

Always start with gloss then you can, if wanted, go over it with what ever sheen you want. Gloos has the most protectent in it.

 

[Mark42]

Re: opinions needed, lets see who knows there types of woods!

i dont under stand......why not do it right.

the poly resin and csm are 20 bux more than a bucket of spar varnish....thompsons waterseal or other,,,,, that may or may not work. (if you read alot on these forums.....there is really mixed results).

to "glass it"....the time factor is plus 5 minits work. application is the same.....(you basically paint it on).........however..... glassing will only require one coat both sides......as compaired to 3 coats spar varnish.....dry time with glass is 45 mins max.....spar varnish with 3 coats could be as many as 2 days depening on location..........

so.......its better time wize to do it right......the cost factor is possibly 20 bux....most likely less.

In addition to oops! good points, the parts you are working on can be re-used when you do the entire deck. So you have not wasted time. In fact, you are getting good experience wetting out CSM that will apply to when the whole deck is done. Also, any left over resin and mat is not wasted, it can be used for the deck or other patch work you may have in the future.

Walmart carries CSM, 8oz fabric, and resin in their auto department. I also found Elmers brand glass and resin in Home Depot in the paints section. NAPA, Advance, and other auto supply also carry glass and resin. So you should be able to find supplies without having to order online and pay shipping.

 

[chillin014]

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fiberglass has GOT to be more expensive. I was looking at the cloth sheets alone and they wanted like 50 bucks for as much as I needed. I guess I'll price it out when I get to the store.

 

[chillin014]

Re: opinions needed, lets see who knows there types of woods!

found some of the Minwax helmsman (sp) urethane varnish stuff. 15 bucks for a quart at home depot.

 

[sschefer]

Re: opinions needed, lets see who knows there types of woods!

If you read throgh the responses you'll notice that there are adequate methods and then there are methods that insure long term success.

The reason for that is that as much as we all call this a fun hobby, we'd really rather be using the boat more than working on it. If your goal is to keep the boat for a long time and enjoy the heck out of your boating experience then spend the extra time and money to do the long term repair job.

However, if the fix is just to get it back to factory then just do what the factory did. A future buyer only expects what the factory did and is not going to pay you for the extra work unless they understand it, (most don't).

 

[Mark_VTfisherman]

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...I bought the clear satin helmsman spar urethane...it might be the same as the marine one as mentioned not sure.....
I bought the clear satin helmsman spar urethane...it might be the same as the marine one as mentioned not sure..I do know they don't make one that says marine spar...atleast it's not on their website or in your normal stores....

Paint on the poly resin.

I use A LOT of spar varnish for various things- but mostly for an aesthetic finish. I even did my swim ladder with spar varnish- oak and cherry; I love it!!

Multiple coats of ACE brand Spar Varnish are on my tamarack running boards/steps I installed on my boat trailer, on my pine planer boards and maple pulley blocks I made for my planer mast. Did I mention that I LOVE spar varnish?

However, if you are merely trying to preserve plywood that won't be seen, use a different coating than spar varnish.

I do like helman's with both bologna and roast beef however

 

[mthieme]

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Whatever kinda varnish or poly or whatever you go with, make sure it is UV rated.
Nothing is permanent. I have to redo mine every few years on the 'Ray.

 

[Hanr3]

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Yep plywood and white oak would be correct. Plus the small hunk of wood is fir or pine 2x4. The plywood appears to have mold on it. Unless you dont like the look of the oak, leave it or snad it. It appears to be in good shape other than exterior discoloration.

I would use pressure treated and glue your carpet to it. No need to do anything else. You could do the exterior grade, howver that wont be as durable as the pressure treated. The exterior grade is designed for short term exposure, typically until it gets covered with another material, like siding or roofing. Pressure treated is designed to withstand direct contact with the elements, including earth.

 

[weider1717]

Re: opinions needed, lets see who knows there types of woods!

Yep plywood and white oak would be correct. Plus the small hunk of wood is fir or pine 2x4. The plywood appears to have mold on it. Unless you dont like the look of the oak, leave it or snad it. It appears to be in good shape other than exterior discoloration.

I would use pressure treated and glue your carpet to it. No need to do anything else. You could do the exterior grade, howver that wont be as durable as the pressure treated. The exterior grade is designed for short term exposure, typically until it gets covered with another material, like siding or roofing. Pressure treated is designed to withstand direct contact with the elements, including earth.

correct except thats not a 2x4 and it's the same material as the main piece it's just plywood.

 

[puppy1]

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Not Marine grade plywood. See mold all over the place . Coat exteroir grade plywood with urethane finish on sides too. Needs three coats to give good seal. will hold up very good but the finish maybe slick when wet.

 

[cdnfthree2]

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White Oak? Are you serious? I hope that's not what that is. Looks just like mahogony to me. The grains don't even resemble oak in the least. Not at all. If it is oak, do yourself a favor and repalce it with something other than oak.
I have oak galore all over the place. Inside, Outside(aka the trash cause that's what it will be immediately), in storage, etc.. and it is great for interior use but on a boat, not so much. The smallest amounts of moisture a horrible for oak. Don't use it. Simple humidity can screw up oak in a few weeks. I know from experience.