20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

stacyg

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I got a 1973 Johnson 65hp for my project boat (turning it into a bass boat) in a trade and I want to mount it to my 16' 1958ish (unknown for sure) vhull.
1. This boat first of all has no capacity or HIN markings at all. The aluminum hull is from a 1958 or so ski boat. It had a 1966 50hp short shaft chrysler on it before. I did the calculations I found on hp capacity and here is what I came up wiith. 16' length x 5.5' tansom width x 2 - 90 = 78 (this is a calculation I got from a forum post). According to this I can safely run a 65hp.
2. The transom is short at 16". The cavitation (or ventilation) plate is roughly 2" under the the bottom of the boat at its highest bolt setting, which consequently puts the engine mount about 2" over the transom (which I do not believe is an issue). The top bolts are roughly 2" down from the top of the transom which seems to me to be about as close as I want to get to the top (but please advise if I am incorrect since I can plug and move them). I based this on the top bolt setting with the engine resting on the transom.
Can I run like this with decreased performance until I can buy a jack plate to raise the motor another couple inches or are there other concerns I need to be aware of?
3. I am building the boat inside from scratch. i built the trasnom using a 2 3/4 pieces of plywood laminated using a polyurethane adhesive. I then sandwhiched the outside 1 1/2" piece to a 3/4" piece on the inside, again using a poly adhesive to seal it and hold it togther. It is solid as is. It is also secured to the inner floor framing. So this transom is SOLID! However, this is a short 16" transom. is this a concern with swamping? I have not yet floated the boat with the added weight for my floor build up. I have a high splash well built in. But I ommitted adding risers to the transom on each side of the motor so the trasnom is flat all the way across. Shoud I build up to each side of the spash well to direct water into the splash well? Say, build it up 3" on each side of the motor to direct the incoming water to the splash well?
4. This motor has no steering tube, however it came with am aftermarket (I am assuming) "Mountain Marine - Denver Colorado" Steering tube. The boat it was on had rack and pinion steering which I let go with the boat. I am looking at buying a Teleflex NFB single cable steering cable setup. Are steering tube sizes standard? Meaning, is this cable setup going to bolt directly to this steering tube setup I have? The cable it was previously attached to had a nut that threaded onto the the tube and to the cable end of the fixed part of the cable.

Sorry to throw so many questions in one post, but these are my last real issues to contend with and I just want to make sure I am good to go.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

you need a jack plate, to mount the motor properly. most steering tubes are the same. seeing telefex is the only thing out there if it does not fit, you will have to get a new one.
http://www.iboats.com/Seadog_Manual...98736870--**********.483727044--view_id.39723

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stacyg

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

Thanks for the help Tashasdaddy. You are a huge help and have now helped me out with a couple issues. I am having a blast learning while building this boat. It is coming along very nicely. I should be done in a few weeks if all goes well. Anyway, thanks again. By the way, I am building up the sides of the transom 4" to direct water to the splash well rather than water breaching the back when I slow down. I have looked at a lot of boats and it seems like a common sense thing now that I look at other boats. Wish I woulda thought about it before hand. Oh well..... live and learn.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

i strongly believe in high splash well. i hate wet feet.
 

stacyg

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

Hey Tashasdaddy, here are a couple pics of my project boat you have helped me with a couple times. It's still in the build phase but I needed to float it to see the waterline.
Look at the transom. As I mentioned it is flat all the way accross. The slash well is level to the transom. Therefore I am planning to build up to the left and the right of the splash well about 2-3 inches to focus the water into the splashwell rather than the back of the boat. With the engine mounted this 16" transom still sits out of the water about 10"-12" with 2 guys in the boat. What do you think? Is 2-3 inches enough or should I even worry about it?
 

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stacyg

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

Sorry, not sure why the pics did notupload, they are on here now.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

it looks high enough not just needs to go all the way across, and does not need to be that deep.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

I am planning to lower the splash well some. It looks kinda dumb as is. However, I really wanted to avoid running the splashwell all the way accross. If I do run it accross I have to re-do everything and it is in. Plus I would lose my gas tank and battery storage.

Instead I am trying to do something more like the picture below where the transom channels the water to the splashwell (which is only in the center).
I am planning to match the sides of the boat to the level that I raise each side of the transom and taper down over 3 to 4 feet up the gunwale.

I am really trying to figure out how high to bring up the sides of the transom to have adequate flow to the splashwell located in the center.

Unless you think this is just a dumb idea.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

they actually make a panel that goes on each side of the motor. they use them on boats that back troll alot. this is just one http://www.wavewackers.com/ they are called back troller splash guards.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

Hate to rain on your parade but I think you calculated your maximum horsepower incorrectly. According to what I found in USCG regs (183.53), the formula you used is for outboard-powered boats with remote steering AND at least 20 inch transom height.

I think you should be using the formula for "No remote steering OR less than 20 inch transom height" and then there is a choice between flat-bottom, hard-chine boats and all others. Since you described your hull as a V-bottom, I believe the correct formula is:

Power factor (Length X Transom Width) X 0.8 - 25 = Horsepower Capacity

I calculate yours as: 16X5.5=88X0.8=70.4-25=45.4(could be raised to 50)

Good luck, be safe!
 
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stacyg

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

Ok so I rebuilt my transom and raised it to a little over 20". I think I should be fine for a 65hp now. The transom is way thicker now and I like the way it looks much better. All in all I raised the transom around 5 inches and raised the mounting of the motor almost 6". Now the cavitation plate is slightly higher (maybe 1") than the bottom of the bottom. I included a couple pics for reference. Please tell me this looks operational now.

FYI: You can see my pics in the first post of this post above to see how the transom looked prior to me raising it.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

Looks good to me! I was hesitant to suggest you rebuild the transom a second time to make the numbers work but you were on top of the situation. Have fun with the boat when it gets warm enough!
 
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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

I think you have way too much power on that boat. It is a very light aluminum hull boat, which will require very little power to push. If it were mine, I would go with no more than 40hp.
 

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

Does seem a lot of power for a 16ft Aluminum boat.
 

stacyg

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Re: 20" 65HP mounting to 16.5" transom

The first test run is done and the boat runs AWESOME! I need a new prop because the one I have has some slight damage and I get some cavitation (engine revs suddenly) if I hit several hard turns. I believe from what I have read that this is from air bubbles around the blades caused by the blade deformation. However it planes pretty well and I am guessing it tops out at about 40 or so.

A couple of things regarding the power concern with the 65hp motor. I said this was a v-hull and I believe it is actually a semi-v. I say this because it is very flat at the back so I think my terminology was incorrect. It is also very wide at 6' at the center. I also added a lot of weight with all the plywood and fiberglass reinforcement. I believe the boat weighs about 1000 pounds or so with the motor. Are there still concerns with the power?
I guess I am curious because after running the boat it feels right. I am interested to know what others feel now that they can see the pics and hear my results.
It handles very well, turns sharp with no porposing, pulls out of the water like a ski boat, I am sure I could pull up a slalom skier if I wanted. The boat does not bounce a lot when hitting wakes and I never felt unsafe or out of control even in hard abrupt turning back and forth.

In addition, I can run full speed and come to a dead stop and do not get any water over the transom. So my revised splash well design is not an issue since it never even gets wet anyway.

Overall I am very pleased. I have never owned or worked on a boat so this was very daring. But it is something I always thought about doing. I could not have done all this without the direction I got on line. I have learned a lot about boats overall.

Thanks for all the direction, especially you Tasha's Daddy, You are awesome!

Stacy
 

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Willyclay

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The results sound great and, as long as your hull design is anything BUT a flat-bottom, the maximum horsepower capacity is still valid. In fact, since you now say the boat is a little wider than originally stated, the capacity is even higher. You should not have anymore concerns about that issue.

In addition, since your motor pre-dates 1985 when the industry changed from crankshaft horsepower ratings for motors to a prop-shaft output standard, you probably only have 55-60 horpsepower by the current, new standard.

I agree with you that when Tashasdaddy speaks, we need to pay attention!
 
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