oil change $125????

sean16921

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Hi guys i got some work done to my boat as my bellows had a crack in it and along with new u joints and bellows they asked me if i wanted to have my oil changed i preceded to ask them how much it cost and they said ohh just the cost of the supplies and labor... knowing that it doesnt take that long to change the oil i told them sure go ahead and change the oil. so i got the bill today and it cost me 125$ for the oil change 1 hour labor at 84$ then the cost of the oil and filter i know boating is more expensive but come on... they take advantage of people and its not fair do you guys think i should say something ? any advice would be appreciated ... also they charged me 1.5 hours of labor to run a decarb agent through the carb .... btw i have a aq 271 motor setup which is a 350 chevy with a 290 volvo duo prop and i have a huge engine compartment so getting to all the parts isnt a challenge
 

Gary H NC

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Re: oil change $125????

Some places are much higher than that.

I get a one hour minimum for an oil change at 75 bucks plus the cost of oil and filter,plus i do the lower unit lube change with the package.

Average charge with parts and labor,125 to 150...

I don't feel you were ripped off.
 

cooter2506

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Doesnt seem bad to me. Run engine to heat oil 10 minutes, drain or pump oil out 20-25 minutes, change filter and refill oil 10 minutes. run engine to check for leaks and check oil pressure 10 minutes. So you didnt get ripped off
 

JustJason

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cooter2506 said:
Doesnt seem bad to me. Run engine to heat oil 10 minutes, drain or pump oil out 20-25 minutes, change filter and refill oil 10 minutes. run engine to check for leaks and check oil pressure 10 minutes. So you didnt get ripped off

Don't forget cleaning up the bilge. Plastic baggies or not, you always get some oil in the bilge. Have to charge for the time it takes to do that. If I was charging someone a buck 25 to change the oil (which is a pretty good number) Shame on me if I give the boat back with an oily bilge.
 

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for the oil change 1 hour labor at 84$ then the cost of the oil and filter

Ayuh,... You knew that going In didn't you,..??

The other option is doing it Yourself,... The Quik-Lubes won't touch a boat....
 

wca_tim

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Ayuh,... You knew that going In didn't you,..??

The other option is doing it Yourself,... The Quik-Lubes won't touch a boat....

and who would let them even if they would!
 

SteveDavis

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You only got ripped off if you feal you did. If I was in your shoes, I would say yes, yes I did get ripped off. But we all do when we bring our toys into get fixed. They know it and we know it. Let me tell you, it did not take them an hour to change the oil. I did it myself, on the first try in around 25 min. There is always a price for convience. If that price is too high, learn to do it yourself and you will feel really good about yourself. There is plenty of help on this site.
 

boatguya1

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Standard charge 1hr+materials for the oil change. Let me tell you I don't feel like I'm "ripping off" anyone when I do it either. Some are a little less some are a little more time wise, on the whole it averages out. On some oil changes the last guy in there over tightened the filter. On some oil changes the access is miserable. Every now and then it goes smooth. Even then it's get the boat to the bay, uncover the boat, warm engine, change oil and filter, run boat again to check for leaks make sure oil level is good. clean up boat, recover boat, park boat. If you're already doing other service some of this time is combined with the other jobs. On the whole the quick one balances out the slow one. On something this simple it's hard to tailor the price to the boat because everyone just wants an answer "how much is an oil change"? As mentioned if you don't like my price, do it yourself. Just don't say I'm "ripping you off".

James
 

Dshow

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Chalk the first one up to learning how much the dealership costs. If that is to high, next time for that cost, buy a vacuum oil pump that goes through your dipstick tube and do it yourself from here on out for alot less. It's easy to do.
 

capecodder116

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When the response was, "just the cost of oil and the labor", your retort should have been, "so how much would that be?" If you don't ask the questions you leave yourself open to this....saying this, I agree with most here in that the price was fair and you should learn how to do the maintainance it's pretty simple and you'll save yourself a few bucks.
 

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It basically comes down to "What is your time worth?" Is one hour of your time worth $84? If the answer is "yes" then learn to do it yourself and you'll soon be able to tackle the oil change in probably less than an hour and save yourself the extra money. If your time is worth more than that, let the dealership do it. Simple economics, even auto dealerships charge a minimum of $50 an hour for labor. Heck, I'd change my own oil to save $25, but that's just me.
 

slongholio

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Yes, I think $85 an hour is too much to change the oil. I'm a network engineer and don't even make half that much for an hour of work. Why do you think you should get paid 85/hr for manual labor? Not a whole lot of specialized knowledge there.

Don't get me wrong, a good mechanic has lots of specialized skills, and work in less than ideal working conditions, but to charge 85/hr to change the oil is in deed a ripoff, and I don't think you or anyone else will be able to convince me that it takes a great deal of skill or training to be able to change the oil. I've done it myself, so I know.

Unless of course you're going to pay me to change the oil for $85/hr, how do I sign up, because I'd love to make $170,000/yr for 2,000 hours worked.

Please don't confuse this with other mechanical skills, in which case knowledge training and experience factor in, but not for changing oil.
 

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Yes, I think $85 an hour is too much to change the oil. I'm a network engineer and don't even make half that much for an hour of work.

Sounds like you need to open your own boat repair business and get rich, or at least more than double your salary. :)

$85/hour for repair labor is actually one of the cheapest rates I've seen in a while. I can garantee you that the mechanic who did the work did not make $85 off it.

If you're making $40/hour as a network engineer, you're costing your company well over $100/hour when you include benefits, Social Security, overhead (rent, utilities, support staff, etc). If another company wanted to sub-contract your time, your company would charge them the actual amount you cost them plus a profit percentage, not your take-home wage. That's what you're doing when you get your oil changed, you're basically sub-contracting the mechanic's time from the shop. So they're charging you all the associated overhead. As others have said, if you think it's a rip-off then do it yourself.
 

Gary H NC

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Compared to most of the dealers and marinas in my area 84 an hour is GOOD!

I called around and some are 125 an hour.

My labor rate includes me driving to the customer,picking up parts and any other needed supplies..
At 75 for the first hour and 50 each additional i have not had one complaint.
My driving time,gas and supplies add up but i do not pass that cost on.

On the average an oil change and lower unit lube change together runs about 125 to 150....parts and labor.

Did you get ripped off? No,not in my opinion.
 

boatguya1

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First my labor rate at the shop is $95hr not $85hr. Out of that $95 is a lease payment to lease a shop on a lake in a national forest. (not cheap) Also utilities, various shop supplies, uncle sam and the like. I don't get enough oil changes to keep someone on staff just to do them. If I have to not be working on some other more technical job so I can change your oil you'll have to pay the same hourly as anyone else. I am very upfront about what it costs to work on a customers boat so I don't appreciate it being called a "rip off". If you don't like my price do it yourself, simple as that.

I work more than 2000 hours a year and make no where near $170k a year. I would be very surprised to find any marine tech's here who do. On top of that I spend a great deal of time helping "do it yourselfers" because I respect folks willing to grab a wrench and dive in.

James
 

slongholio

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What I was getting at is that the guy doing the oil change shouldn't be their top mechanic, he should be some guy they're paying $12.50/hr or whatever the rate is these days to do oil changes, in which case it is still a ripoff at $85/hr even after including the operating costs. That is what is the rip-off. The marina/storage/dealer/service operation where my boat is stored has a few thousand boats in dry storage that most get serviced there. I can't imagine they don't have a low paid type person to do the routine stuff, yet they still charge the same amount as if the chief mechanic is doing the work.

My cousin has his own shop, and he hires a guy for manual labor for the easy stuff like oil and brakes, and passes the savings on to the customer, so as to be fair. It ain't rocket science, especially if you've done it a few times. Unfortunately he's the only one I know that is so honest, and he doesn't live near me so I have to pay through the nose like everyone else.

Funny thing paying to dispose of oil too, I wonder why you can take it to Autozone or whatever and dump it for free? I know the dealer has to pay to dispose of it, but Autozone doesn't? I bet the dealer charges a mark-up for this service too when they charge a disposal fee too, and I bet it probably their best profit margin in the place. Though I have no evidence to back up this ascertation.
 

slongholio

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But don't get me wrong, I appreciate you guys that come here and try to help do-it-yourselfers. For my boat, they pull it off the rack on their forklift and put it on a rack in the service bay 100 feet away. I'm already paying the $1600 a year for the storage, forklift, etc,. etc.

I can totally understand if you're driving your own vehicle and all the other stuff, but we're talking about a dealership here. We'll, maybe only I am talking about a dealership. But I hope I make a little sense without coming off as too big of a jerk.
 

sdoomaha

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Yes, I think $85 an hour is too much to change the oil. I'm a network engineer and don't even make half that much for an hour of work. Why do you think you should get paid 85/hr for manual labor? Not a whole lot of specialized knowledge there.

K.....now pretend you're self employed as a network engineer. How much of your taxes and benefits is your employer currently paying for you...now that is your cost to cover. OK....now how much is your employer paying for your Worker's Compensation, rent for your work space, capital expenditures (computer, servers, desk, chair), software licensing, property taxes, property insurance, umbrella policy to cover any other lawsuits, utilities, etc etc.

Rather than thinking what you are making because you are an employee...stop and think if you OWNED the business, what other costs are there? Do you want to pay those costs from your "employee wage" or are you going to raise your rate to $85 to cover your costs so you can make "half of that" after overhead to keep your wage what you are currently making now?

Also a wise man once told me...you get paid for what you know...not what you do. Anyone can pound keys on a keyboard...it is your industry knowledge that makes you valuable as a network engineer. How often do we see threads about where is my oil filer? What filer should I use? What oil should I use? How do I get a stick filter off? I'm not sure changing oil for everyone is as cut and dried as you make it.
 

slongholio

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Also a wise man once told me...you get paid for what you know...not what you do. Anyone can pound keys on a keyboard...it is your industry knowledge that makes you valuable as a network engineer. How often do we see threads about where is my oil filer? What filer should I use? What oil should I use? How do I get a stick filter off? I'm not sure changing oil for everyone is as cut and dried as you make it.

You are correct, and I see your point if it is just you doing everything, and you don't have enough business coming through to justify an "oil-changer".

Of course you have to charge the same rate for an oil change as an engine re-build. Buy maybe if you offered an oil change for $35/hr instead of 85, more people would have you do it, instead of doing it themselves, and you might get enough oil-change business to hire that guy for $12.50/hr, and employee someone, and make some extra money yourself too.

I had my own consulting business. When they need a highly experienced network design engineer, I charge them the maximum rate, which was roughly three times what I make now as a salaried employee, and it pretty much equals out by the time you cover expenses, which I think is what you're getting at.

My point though, is if they just need some computers hooked up, I'm didn't go out there and do it at my billing rate, I contracted some guy out at the tech school to go do it for say maybe $14/hr, and charge them $22/hr to cover my overhead and expenses.

Back in the 80's and early 90's businesses did charge $75/hr for computer work, even the easy stuff. Now those places are all out of business, because people did decide to do it themselves.

Mechanics have an advantage because working conditions are far less than ideal, and the nature of the business, but I still believe charging the same rate for different skill sets is wrong in principle.

And end the end, guess what? I pay the shop rate to get my oil changed, and just go away disgruntled and unhappy about how much it cost every time. All that being said, here in the USA we have capitalism and I totally agree, if you don't like the price, go somewhere else or do it yourself.

But I did answer the question that was asked I think, which was do I think it was a rip-off? yes.

Looking back I probably shouldn't have answered, not being a mechanic. I think he was trying to get a perspective about whether other mechanics thought he paid to much.

My apologies for stirring things up. Moderator please remove my comments, since they aren't relative to helping with the response to the question asked.
 
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