Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

proshadetree

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Cool link great info.If Id seen this before I might have made mine as clean as F14s.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Go to your local grocery store and get a box of plastic spoons. A plastic spoon makes the absolute best disposable tool for rounding out the peanut butter in corner joints.

For the newbie's here all that information and more is contained here on iboats.

Learn to play with the search function ;)
 

danond

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Learn to play with the search function ;)

I definitely agree that the information is out there, Bob!

At the same time, I've concluded that the search function on all forums, worldwide, regardless of forum software, sucks. :D

This works better: Go to Google, then search for:

site:forums.iboats.com <insert search text here>
 

Yacht Dr.

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Hello m8s

All glass has binders specific to each resin. there is a " mat " that has epoxy binders. you epoxy with some biax..or fab..or whatever..and see how it "drains" right out of your FG repair.
Even if you use peel ply ( get into that later ) you have a mess. Will anyone talk about post cure epoxies ??? hmmm..

one question..why would you use epoxy at all in your boat ?

and another one... do NOT use finish cloth on your boat. ( the small woving that comes in regular " repair kits " ) .. trust me.

YD.
 

danond

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Yacht Dr. - I have no idea what you're getting at, but about half the people here have used some form epoxy resin in their boat repair, and it works really well. West System is great stuff.
 

Yacht Dr.

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Yes Danond..

However..the Best ( And I will give out my best fillit ( again) would be mix up approx 1:1 poly resin/cabosil.. then cut with scissors mat into that mix..add resin only if needed to get a good glassy paste )). Dont fill too deep with any filler because of heat.

Its called MOHAIR. and was passed to me from one of my teachers in glass repair.

Talk..laugh..

West is Very good..but will drain.. you have to baby your filler..I dont know why you would want to use it for a "filler" ?

YD.
 

ondarvr

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Polyesters typically make better, more workable putties than epoxies and VE's do, they just aren't very strong. Cutting up mat works OK, but buying milled fibers works better. Since with polyester the resin needs to break down the binders in mat, and epoxy won't break the binders down much, if at all, there may be some stiff fibers in mat that won't easily conform to the shape needed. Milled fibers can be purchased in many different lengths for the specific need and have no binder. In the work place I normally buy milled fibers, on home projects I?ll frequently use cut up, or pulled apart mat just because I have it handy.

The binders have nothing to do with holding the resin (of either type) in the glass, it only holds the mat together until the styrene in polyester resin breaks it down and lets the fibers easily conform to the surface profile.

Epoxy compatible mat is stitched (no binders) to hold it in place, just like on products like 1708. While some types of normal mat will sort of work with epoxy and it will get used in some situations, its not designed for that purpose.

Resin draining out can be due to many things. Polyester is the most forgiving and can be formulated for virtually no draining, VE and epoxies aren?t as forgiving and tend to drain out of the glass easier, with slow cure formulas this can be can be even more of a problem. Roving, cloth and biax have a much tougher time holding resin than mat does, so the mat on 1708 makes it much easier to use and not experience drain out.

I know , when I get started I tend to over explain things.
 

jonesg

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

cabosil will stop anything from draining.:D

I have some glass and kevlar pulp, makes a rock hard putty but I don't have any purpose for it, maybe an engine mount for inboard.

The only putty I use is for contouring and filet curves, theres little need for them to be stronger than resin/talc/cabosil.

I lay it on, form it and immediately lay the glass tape into it, then hit it with resin before the putty goes off and its all done in one shot.
Its not exterior cosmetic work.
 

chrishayes

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

cabosil will stop anything from draining.:D

I have some glass and kevlar pulp, makes a rock hard putty but I don't have any purpose for it, maybe an engine mount for inboard.

The only putty I use is for contouring and filet curves, theres little need for them to be stronger than resin/talc/cabosil.

I lay it on, form it and immediately lay the glass tape into it, then hit it with resin before the putty goes off and its all done in one shot.
Its not exterior cosmetic work.

What he said. I have had the same experience with Epoxy and cabosil and I too do not use it for exterior "visible" work, just fillets and glue and have no problem getting it to "stand at attention":eek:
 

Mark42

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

The epoxy resin I used from fiberglasssite was so thick it wouldn't drain. A little harder to get air bubbles out of, but not enough to be a problem. I used it with 1708 biax with no problems (at least none caused by the resin :D).
 

88BLiner

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Re: Working with Epoxy (Peanut Butter)

Hello everyone I was just wondering if any of you have used Wood Flour before, and if so do you know of a store that I can go and buy it instead if ordering and waiting for it Online?:confused:
 
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