Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

alex1195

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Ok, So I'm a newbie to boat restoration and I've read a lot of postings. I'm still a little lost on this Epoxy verses polyester resin thing.
I'm rebuilding a transom on an older family owned fiberglass boat.
I've removed the engine, lower unit, bell housing, transom plate and all of the inner fiberglass and plywood. I'm down to the outer skin of fiberglass and I've sanded that smooth all over so it's clean. I went out and purchased hardwood Marine plywood and had it cut in to two pieces cut in opposite directions for grain strength.
Now I'm almost ready to start laminating the plywood together. This is where I have stopped. I have both fiberglass mat and cloth along with 4" fiberglass tape. I have all the necessary tools and supplies to proceed except that all important Fiberglass resin and hardner. I've heard a lot of pro's and con's to each one. So I'm looking for answers as to why I really need to use EPOXY instead of Polyester resin? Except for the costs involved, the different manufactures I've spoken to say that most new boats today are made with the newer polyester resins due to the costs of Epoxy. I know I'm going to get the "here we go again" replies but I'm sorry. Since I'm doing this and it involves my family riding on and in this boat when it's done (someday...lol) I'm sure you can understand my concerns. i want it to be safe. I know the Epoxy is supposed to be stronger and more flexible than polyester. But in a transom that's 2" thick? Does it really make that much difference in this application? If so please explain why. I know that adding either wood flour or microballons to the mix will thicken it up for filleting. But can't you fillet polyester the same way? I'm open to suggestions and opinions that I can use to make an Informed decision before I proceed.
Again, as always, I thank you all in advance for your input and suggestions.
Alex W
Roanoke, VA
 

Mark42

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Yes, you can thicken epoxy and polyester resins the same way. The boat is made from poly, and it has lasted all this time. Save the money for accessories and go with the poly resin.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Welcome to iboats!!

Going to teach you a neat trick here on iboats.

Take a moment and scroll down on this page..... go ahead and do it now... I will wait....................................
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Hmmmm there are 5 posts listed with almost the identical title. What I am doing is actually encouraging people to search Not to be rude but actually to brag about the wealth of information in the restoration forum.

Epoxy is stronger but you pay more money too. There are millions of boats made with regular resin still on the water. It's all about personal choice ;)
 

OttawaRiver

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

I'm wondering, can I use epoxy resin with fiberglass cloth on my aluminum boat to patch a crack?
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

I'm wondering, can I use epoxy resin with fiberglass cloth on my aluminum boat to patch a crack?

OttawaRiver - No. Do not use fiberglass cloth to patch an aluminum boat. Fiberglass will crack and seperate.

You can have it welded or use aluminum patch with rivets sealed with gluvit or 3m 5200.

You should start your own thread and not hijack this one.
 

Yacht Dr.

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Hello Alex..

First things first.. hey Ottowariver please start your own thread..

Alex.. poly should be your only choice m8..in all your restoration..

EPOXY is .. well for specialized use..not for reconstruction..

Good resin/fiberglass is solid..more then what you need for some time done right.

YD.
 

ondarvr

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Hello Alex..

First things first.. hey Ottowariver please start your own thread..

Alex.. poly should be your only choice m8..in all your restoration..

EPOXY is .. well for specialized use..not for reconstruction..

Good resin/fiberglass is solid..more then what you need for some time done right.

YD.


+1.
 

rucaradio

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

I had the same dilemma before beginning my restore. You'll find epoxy fans along with an equal share of poly fans here. In the end, I just couldn't justify spending SEVERAL HUNDRED $$$ on epoxy.

I went with standard poly resin and had no problem with it. A lot of people say epoxy is "more forgiving" in terms of mixing and laying it down. If you get a few cheap graduated cylinders and know how to read directions, it really isn't hard at all.

Another thing to consider is that poly resin seems to be much more readily available. If you run out you can run to Lowes, Home Depot, or Autozone and get more. Marine stores usually stock West Systems epoxy, but it'll run you about $130 per gallon as opposed to standard poly resin at $35/gallon.
 

jonesg

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Classic wooden boat restorers swear by epoxy,
I swear by whatever is cheapest.
If someone gives me the epoxy free I'll swear by it.
Otherwise , actually I prefer the speed of poly.

I guess where construction is wood to wood with no glass being used epoxy might be better.

But in a glass boat, poly works great, grind and clean first.
 

P 0 P E Y E

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

The Epoxy poly wars continue...

DING....Ding....Ding

I have always found that system material. meaning the stuff the boat is already made of....works.

If its a poly boat...use poly or vinyl ester.....

ESTER.......
 

109jb

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Classic wooden boat restorers swear by epoxy,
I swear by whatever is cheapest.
If someone gives me the epoxy free I'll swear by it.
Otherwise , actually I prefer the speed of poly.

I guess where construction is wood to wood with no glass being used epoxy might be better.

But in a glass boat, poly works great, grind and clean first.

A wooden boat is covered in a woven material directly to the hull. For this you need the additional strength of the epoxy for the interface between the fabric and the hull. In other words there is no CSM between.
 

OttawaRiver

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

OttawaRiver - No. Do not use fiberglass cloth to patch an aluminum boat. Fiberglass will crack and seperate.

You can have it welded or use aluminum patch with rivets sealed with gluvit or 3m 5200.

You should start your own thread and not hijack this one.

First, My apologies to alex... I though this question was correlated to this thread since it's about fibreglass and epoxy. I wasn't intending to hijack this thread. However, thank you for answering the question Bob

Hello Alex..

First things first.. hey Ottowariver please start your own thread..

YD.

Second (sorry to be rude Yatch Dr., you weren't the first thing in my reply) Bob made it clear enough and you don't have to repeat it. Also, it's OttawaRiver and not Ottowariver :p
 

Robj

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Use poly and put your effort into doing the repair properly and it will last longer than you will care to keep the boat.

Have a great day,

Rob.
 

oops!

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Welcome to iboats!!

Going to teach you a neat trick here on iboats.

Take a moment and scroll down on this page..... go ahead and do it now... I will wait....................................
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the old poly vs epoxy question eh?....this thread doesnt look like the war it used to be, but i got the popcorn out ......munch munch munch...:D

alex......read yacht dr.s post. that is the correct answer.

cheers bud
oops
 

erikgreen

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Hello Alex..

First things first.. hey Ottowariver please start your own thread..

Alex.. poly should be your only choice m8..in all your restoration..

EPOXY is .. well for specialized use..not for reconstruction..

Good resin/fiberglass is solid..more then what you need for some time done right.

YD.



I'm not gonna bother going over my reasons for using epoxy a lot, suffice it to say that I like the additional strength a lot and the cost isn't that much different if you know where to shop.

But I view the two resins as a toolbox.. sometimes you need one, sometimes the other, and it's stupid to treat the choice of which like it's some kind of religion or a sports team you like to cheer for.

I do find the logic of "repair with what the boat was made from" curious, though.

For you welders out there, if you have a cast iron engine block that develops a crack, are you going to try to patch it with some molten cast iron?

Why not? It's what the original block was made from, right? :) :)

Erik
 

keepNitreel

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

I'm not gonna bother going over my reasons for using epoxy a lot, suffice it to say that I like the additional strength a lot and the cost isn't that much different if you know where to shop.

But I view the two resins as a toolbox.. sometimes you need one, sometimes the other, and it's stupid to treat the choice of which like it's some kind of religion or a sports team you like to cheer for.

I do find the logic of "repair with what the boat was made from" curious, though.

For you welders out there, if you have a cast iron engine block that develops a crack, are you going to try to patch it with some molten cast iron?

Why not? It's what the original block was made from, right? :) :)

Erik

That is just plan funny :D but true.
 

ondarvr

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Re: Epoxy verses Polyester Resin

Actually I think you both (me too) said the same thing. The two products have their place and there is no real right or wrong answer. The vast majority of repair shops use polyester because it costs less, is easier to work with, the repair can be done quickly and it works. Epoxy is needed for special applications where polyester just won't do the job, but it can be used for just about anything polyester can be used for also.
 
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