Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

[TJShag13]

Hi,

I just ordered a stator for my '72 65hp johnson from shopevinrude and the first stator I recieved was clearly used. After multiple phone calls and a week later I today recieved my 'new' stator. Well to me it looks like a cheap POS knock off part. All of the copper coils are exposed and not sealed up like the original part is.

I went to check the sierra part and they have this part listed for $183.68 as apposed to shopevinrude's $224. The diagrams are the same on both sites, but I thought I would be getting a quality part with the same standards as the orginal.

Would I be better off sending it back (again) and saving myself $50+ and by it through serra?

Or am I just a fool thinking I would get something better direct from evinrude?

-Tim

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

shopevinrude.com the item is shipped from the closest dealer to you. it is suppose to be the BRP part, not an aftermarket part. now whether it is identical, depends on if it was replaced with an updated part. the part has not been sitting on a shelf, for the last 35 years.

 

[phipps]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

CDI sells aftermarket electrical parts. Their website is http://www.cdielectronics.com/

 

[jtcarter]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

I imagine the part he got was a CDI. I believe they took over that stuff from BRP. I know that CDI is the pack they'll send you.

 

[TJShag13]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

Well I obviously know it's not going to be a 37 year old 'new' part...

I did however expect the part I was going to receive to be as good if not better than the original 1972 part definitely not inferior (at least in looks).

I believ the new part to be a CDI. Now I don't know if this part is known to be as good/better/worse than the original part but it certainly doesn't seem to be as good seeing as it is totally open to the elements.

This is a picture of the first part they shipped me that was what I was expecting, though not used (not actual part I received):

This is what I suppose is the CDI part which doesn't look like it couldn't possibly be as reliable as the above to me (not actual part I received):

What I do know is that if they are selling me an aftermarket part as a stock replacement then they are certainly in the wrong. Especially if they are going to jack the price up and pass it off as their own.


Correct me if I am wrong.

Side question:

Will the stator read low in ohms if not installed and under the flywheel?
The used looking stator reads 619 ohms while the cdi readys 714 ohms. Neither of which is 900 +/30 ohms which is the factory manual spec.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

The part that you received is what BRP and its dealers sell these days. While it may look cheap to you, it is said to be a better part than the original stators, because it operates at a lower temperature. That should give it a longer service life and make it less prone to failure.

As to the difference in the ohms readings, that is an interesting question - maybe some of the more technically saavy guys here can answer it.

I am also led to believe that the ignition parts that BRP sells for older OMC motors are, indeed, aftermarket parts, rebranded with the BRP name. Whether they are manufactured by Sierra or CDI, I don't know.

When I rebuilt the ignition system in my '72 Johnson 65hp motor, I used all aftermarket parts, except for the ignition coils. When I priced the parts at my local BRP/OMC dealer, he told me that the parts were aftermarket and then gave me the numbers involved. I declined to buy from him and went straight home to find them on the internet. I ended up finding prices that are similar to what you found.

I still buy as much as I can justify from my local dealer, just to support his business in these hard times, but there is a limit to the amount of price markup that I am willing to endure. My dealer understands that amd has even been helpful in guding me towards other sources of parts.

If sending the part back and reordering is worth the price savings, you might want to do so. I'm not sure, however, that you will save more than $20 or so, in the process. It might be worth using the part you have, and taking the circumstance as a learning situation - buy aftermarket next time!

 

[jtcarter]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

Well I obviously know it's not going to be a 37 year old 'new' part...

I did however expect the part I was going to receive to be as good if not better than the original 1972 part definitely not inferior (at least in looks).

I believ the new part to be a CDI. Now I don't know if this part is known to be as good/better/worse than the original part but it certainly doesn't seem to be as good seeing as it is totally open to the elements.

This is a picture of the first part they shipped me that was what I was expecting, though not used (not actual part I received):

This is what I suppose is the CDI part which doesn't look like it couldn't possibly be as reliable as the above to me (not actual part I received):

What I do know is that if they are selling me an aftermarket part as a stock replacement then they are certainly in the wrong. Especially if they are going to jack the price up and pass it off as their own.


Correct me if I am wrong.

Side question:

Will the stator read low in ohms if not installed and under the flywheel?
The used looking stator reads 619 ohms while the cdi readys 714 ohms. Neither of which is 900 +/30 ohms which is the factory manual spec.

Ah, don't worry about that ohm reading. I can never get them to read right either. CDI'S reputation has been smeared through the mud in the past, but thats the parts we're left with buying now. We can all only hope they've made improvements as it seems that is all we're left with except serria, i wouldn't go there. What experience i've had with serria hasn't been good.

 

[TJShag13]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

Hey thanks, I never heard that it opperated at a lower temperature. If that does make it last longer I would be fine with it. Looking at it I figured that being exposed would have shortened it's life, and having some sort of insulation would protect it from heat as well as other outside environments. I suppose with out the insulation, it would have to be cooler at all times, so that makes sense.

But either way, they should advertise what they are actually selling in this case another company's product with a hefty mark up.

I think I have to know about the ohms readings because if there really is always going be a discrepancy in numbers than maybe I'm looking in the wrong place to fix my problem...

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

when you buy a an original GM parts, it is not necessarily made by GM. remember all manufacturers have supplier of parts, that are labeled OEM parts, no matter where they come from.

 

[tmasloske]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

I wouldn't count on always getting brand new parts from shopevinrude.com. I ordered coils (part #584477) - the new BRP part number, but they shipped me (from a dealer in Seattle) some new old stock (part #580416). The coils were so old the insulation on the wires had turned into sticky goo.

I sent them back.

 

[TJShag13]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

^ That is very true however after discussing with shopevinrude about my first used stator they said that the part numbers change every so many years. The first one they sent me (which had a different part number from what they show on their website) was definitely on par as far as looking like a quality original equipment part. The CDI part had the correct part number but clearly isn't brp/omc. My major complaint is that they gave me an after market part at a jacked up rate after sending me what they should have.

Besides all of the above, am I better off sticking with this CDI part and not waste another week (and possibly weekend of boating) waiting around for the next part to arrive? Doe any one have any issues with the longevity of CDI parts? Above all does any one know what the deal is with the ohms out put? I'm using the same multi meter on the same setting and getting what seems to be a large difference in numbers...

Thanks for all the help and input!

 

[tashasdaddy]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

i prefer CDI parts, electrical parts over the OEM parts.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

I have CDI ignition parts in my '72 Johnson 65hp motor now and it runs fine. I also put many more hours on my boat than most people do, so those parts are well tested.

If the part that you received from shop.evinrude is a CDI part, chances are that is what you will end up with from an aftermarket supplier anyway, so the only real issue is money. Since you are going to have to pay for the return shipping and the shipping on a part purchased from someone else, you have to think in terms of just how much you will really save, by going through that process. My guess is that it will be minimal and not worth the effort.

As for the source of parts at shop.evinrude, many of those listed as being in stock are actually in a number of non-BRP warehouses around the country. The one in Seattle is Sea-Way Marine. I have dealt with them a number of times and have had a good experience with them. They have never sent me defective parts and have taken parts back, when I have goofed up and given them incorrect part numbers. Further, they've never charged me a restocking fee, which is something that alot of "mail order" parts house do.

 

[jonesg]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

these days no-one can afford to mfger every single diddly part used in an engine. The transmission on my volvo 740 is Aisin Warner, the idle motor is GM, the fuel pump that came out of the tank (factory original) said Volvo, peeled that sticker off and its AC Delco and thats made in Korea by one of many suppliers to AC Delco.! Helco water pump is from Germany.

That CDI stator looks hand wound, it looks very good to me.
if it works,,..you can't beat success.

 

[jay_merrill]

Re: Does shopevinrude.com sell aftermarket ignition parts?

Anyone ever own a 1985 Chevy S10 pickup with the base 4 cylinder engine? Guess what, it was a 1.9 litre Isuzu motor. If you owned the compact Chevy pickup prior to the S10, you had a "LUV," which was an Isuzu from bumper to bumper.

The same is true of Ford. Those of you who are Ranger or Explorer fans have been driving vehicles that are largely made of Mazda parts.

These days, it seems like very little of what we buy is made solely of parts manufactured by the company who's name is on the product.

Such is life in "the modern age."