Mercury Force and US Marine (Chrysler) Force Engines

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humbled1

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What is the difference between a Mercury Marine version of Force engine and US Marine (Chrysler) Force engines?
 

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Mercury purchased force in the mid 1990's.
 

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Got that part, mechanicaly what's the difference?
 

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Mercury took a perfectly good engine design and ruined it! LOL

Seriously: US Marine was the Force that was bought from Chrysler when the company was bailed-out by the feds in the early 1980s. Basically, the only changes they made to the white ones were the graphics on the cover. US marine was a company in the AMF-Brunswick group which made Bayliner. That's why you typically see Bayliners with Force power. They were sold as a package.

The blue Forces were changed in the ignition and cowling to give a more updated appearance and a cheaper to produce ignition system.

Sometime in the late 80s Mercury got involved with Force--I forget who bought who-- but Mercury started making changes in the lower unit, the cowling, and in the later years, they changed the controls. The mid leg and lower unit became Mercury design. The 4 cylinder engine blocks remained substantially the same, but the three cylinder 70 and 75 HP engines had a redesigned manifold and intake system. Carbs remained Tillotsen. Mid to late 90s Force engines had Mercury ignition systems which were probably superior to the Prestolite designed Force systems.

Quite frankly, some of the changes Mercury made, I considered beneficial. However I also disliked some other changes they made. Some things were good engineering design, and others were made for the sake of cheaper production costs--it's obvious when you compare engines.

The final outcome is that almost any three or four cylinder block is swappable with a little finessing as long as you pay attention to when Merc changed the lower unit to Merc design and changed the splines in the crankshaft.
 

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By the way: the 70 and 75 by Mercury marine have longer connecting rods, larger diameter wrist pins and big end rod bearings, and the lower unit uses an itty-bitty 10 inch prop. I consider the longer rods and larger bearings to be a significant improvement over the original, but they can not be swapped into older 3 cylinder engines.

I haven't yet opened a late 90s 120 or 125 so I don't know if those were changed also. I would suspect that the big bore 120 (3.375 diameter cylinder) would have the longer rods, just for parts inventory reduction.
 

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Thanks for great post. In short were the recuring problems the US-M Force engines fixed or is just another set of issues?
 

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What is the difference between a Mercury Marine version of Force engine and US Marine (Chrysler) Force engines?

Maintain your engine per manual and the Chrysler will last almost forever. Maintain your engine per manual and the Mercury will self-destruct the day after warranty runs out. Okay, I exagerrate. But not much.
 

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Maintain your engine per manual and the Chrysler will last almost forever. Maintain your engine per manual and the Mercury will self-destruct the day after warranty runs out. Okay, I exagerrate. But not much.

Love it, hilarious stuff!!:):) Without too much thread hijacking (apologies Humbled1), it sounds like Chrysler/Force mechanical units with the Merc/Thunderbolt ignitions/electronics are probably the best series within this line?
What are the weak links in the Prestolite compared to the Merc ignition?
(Frank and you RRitt seem to have some excellent insight into this)
BP:):cool:
 

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As I remember I had a 85 or 90 Force I went thruough two stators in two years.
 

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hey Frank i got a stupid question.... where can i get repop decals for the force 85?
 

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Re: Mercury Force and US Marine (Chrysler) Force Engines

Mercury took a perfectly good engine design and ruined it! LOL

Seriously: US Marine was the Force that was bought from Chrysler when the company was bailed-out by the feds in the early 1980s. Basically, the only changes they made to the white ones were the graphics on the cover. US marine was a company in the AMF-Brunswick group which made Bayliner. That's why you typically see Bayliners with Force power. They were sold as a package.

The blue Forces were changed in the ignition and cowling to give a more updated appearance and a cheaper to produce ignition system.

Sometime in the late 80s Mercury got involved with Force--I forget who bought who-- but Mercury started making changes in the lower unit, the cowling, and in the later years, they changed the controls. The mid leg and lower unit became Mercury design. The 4 cylinder engine blocks remained substantially the same, but the three cylinder 70 and 75 HP engines had a redesigned manifold and intake system. Carbs remained Tillotsen. Mid to late 90s Force engines had Mercury ignition systems which were probably superior to the Prestolite designed Force systems.

Quite frankly, some of the changes Mercury made, I considered beneficial. However I also disliked some other changes they made. Some things were good engineering design, and others were made for the sake of cheaper production costs--it's obvious when you compare engines.

The final outcome is that almost any three or four cylinder block is swappable with a little finessing as long as you pay attention to when Merc changed the lower unit to Merc design and changed the splines in the crankshaft.

I have a question about a 1985 Sea King 15hp. (Model:VWB 52122) It is currently not running, but I hope to get it running...Question??? Is there somewere I can still get parts for this U.S. Marine Motor??? If so, where??? And can I get an owner's manual for this model and year??? Any help would be greatly appreciated...Email:jwpeeyore@hotmail.com
 

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I've done quite a bit of research on this myself and found the bore is also larger on the 75hp. Not enough to make a big difference but it is what it is. Wonder if the slightly larger bore had something to do with the induction and different intake manifold.
 

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Hello,
I got 98 40 hp 2 strokes Mercury/force outboard.Live in FL and having problem with heat.any one can tell me where is the termostat located and take it out.is it easy for me to do it.
 

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Howdy,

Welcome to iboats. :)

HUD, you have hijacked a dead thread. Bad manners. Please start your own thread.

Thanks for your cooperation. :)
 
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