Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

brystr

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Hey guys, I picked up a 83 Bayliner capri, after doing a lot of research here, I found that it needs to be rebuilt of course! I am wondering if I can use it for a few months as is, to do some fishing, no way I would try pulling a skier. This is my fist boat and I don,t know a lot, but am trying to learn. I have included some pics, take a look at the transom, some work was done on it before I got it, not sure if they did some seacast type of fix or what. I have done core samples of transom and stringers, but not the foam yet.

Take a look and let me know what you think, can I do some sort of patch on the transom to get me by for a few months?

Thanks for any comments and help

Bryan

Pics http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz323/brystr2/
 

CheapboatKev

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

Welcome Aboard!

If your transom is suspect at all..If the integrity is compromised in any way, you simply can NOT use her till it is fixed...A massive failure at the transom would be a catostrophic failure..
 

Mark42

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

Hey guys, I picked up a 83 Bayliner capri, after doing a lot of research here, I found that it needs to be rebuilt of course! I am wondering if I can use it for a few months as is, to do some fishing, no way I would try pulling a skier. This is my fist boat and I don,t know a lot, but am trying to learn. I have included some pics, take a look at the transom, some work was done on it before I got it, not sure if they did some seacast type of fix or what. I have done core samples of transom and stringers, but not the foam yet.

Take a look and let me know what you think, can I do some sort of patch on the transom to get me by for a few months?

Thanks for any comments and help

Bryan

Pics http://s840.photobucket.com/albums/zz323/brystr2/

Welcome to iboats, Bryan! That sweet little Bayliner is not very hard to repair. There are a couple of other 1600's being repaird on the forum, so its well worth searching the fourm for those projects.

I did notice that your model is a 1983. By 1985 Bayliner added knee braces to the center transom section, and the outer skin was a full 3/4" thick! So it would be a good idea to add some knee braces to give extra support.

Keep taking pics, and post your progress!
 

Lightnig

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

Welcome Aboard!

If your transom is suspect at all..If the integrity is compromised in any way, you simply can NOT use her till it is fixed...A massive failure at the transom would be a catostrophic failure..

I hemmed and hawed about replacing my transom, but decided it must be done for the very reason mentioned above. I'm going to be taking out my wife and kids, and they are not worth taking the chance on.

And mine didn't appear half as bad as yours does in those pics brystr...
 

brystr

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

Thanks guys, that's what I have been thinking too.
 

brystr

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

Welcome to iboats, Bryan! That sweet little Bayliner is not very hard to repair. There are a couple of other 1600's being repaird on the forum, so its well worth searching the fourm for those projects.

I did notice that your model is a 1983. By 1985 Bayliner added knee braces to the center transom section, and the outer skin was a full 3/4" thick! So it would be a good idea to add some knee braces to give extra support.

Keep taking pics, and post your progress!
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Thanks for that advice on the knee braces, makes sense, going to get the boat over to my dads huge shop and tear into her good!
 

brystr

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

oh and also the fiberglass you see coming off the inside of ther transom is like 1/16" if that, could not belive that
 

Mark42

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

Its not common to find the inside transom coated with just a layer of gel coat.
 

sho3boater

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

I did mine years ago, just a hunk of 3/4 ply. It had some chopper gun gel on the inside, not much. However I did it from the outside and would not recommend that. I think it would have been better to cut the splashwell sides near the cable hole and remove it to get in there. Then just repair those cuts not the outer hull that is about 1/4" plus thick. The 85hp was near falling off when I got it. Also had to fix a cracked stringer and I covered up the locker in the floor, the frame for it was bad. Looks like it hit something to pop the stringer there was no rot there, and some spiderweb there on the bottom.

I still have the boat and run it, that was around '03 or 4 I did that and it is posted on another boating site around that date with photos. I remember thinking it lasted 20yr and was always in the lake during summers before I got it. I jumped on the motor after and bent the cav plate testing it, oops, its rock solid. I put a couple layers of glass inside but didn't change much else. If I did it over again I'd beef it up for a jack plate and beef up the stringers, I'd also pull that floor out of the splashwell and beef up the bottom there its weak. Then you could run more motor if you were daring. Only issue with knees is if you can fit the fuel tank and battery back in there. I never did get around to taking the foam out of the rear seat base, I did sister the stringers to beef them up and cleaned/epoxied everything I could that looked suspect.

It is a nice driving boat, the original 85hp force had a newish block in it when I got it and runs nice. I painted that and had the SS prop done it will gps over 40mph anytime. I also went over the rest of the boat. It has developed a small soft spot in the floor in front of the passenger seat now I should dig into it again. I saw it and put some epoxy on it back then. I had to repair and paint the entire transom on the outside. I used epoxy resin and epoxy paint. Also made all new bucks for the seats that was pretty easy, they were bad at the hinges. I could not figure out a good way to remove the seat bases or I might have redone the floor where it needed it.

I was just going to sell it at the time, but it turned out to be a nice boat really. That and I have not had time to do other boat projects so I keep this one around. The motor puts out some exhaust when trolling, not good with a backwind, otherwise I can't complain about it at all. I'd not recommend getting really rough with one if you don't beef up the structure, they were not built that heavy duty and with this age they need some help. The rest is pretty good quality stuff. I forget now but ended up with a total of 600-800 into it including boat/motor/trailer/all supplies & parts and it looked nice and was ready to go anywhere. Even bought that strange tach for it.
 

Mark42

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

It seems that the quality and/or design for the same model changed a lot from year to year with Bayliner. I have a 1985 model year 1600 and the transom is 3/4" fiberglass with 3/4" plywood and knee braces completely encased in glass and gel. From the photos and discriptions of others, there it is apparent that the glass ranged from 1/4" to 3/4", some have no knee braces, some have one, some have knee braces incorporated into seating structure. Some have rectangular splashwell, some have a "triangle" splashwell.

The center pannel in my transom has a about a 1-1/2" hole in the plywood about mid height. from there the fiberglass is visable. Don't know what the hole is for, maybe inspection for rot? Its obvious its from the factory, as there is gel over spray in the hole.

Another thing I noticed is there are many thin layers to the ply, not the typical plys found in cdx, more like cabnet or marine grade ply. Thats a good thing from a strength point of view, but it does nothing to prevent rot.

So just to be on the safe side, it would be a good idea to check out the exact construction of your transom before cutting into it based on others descriptions.

BTW, if you decide to use the original Garboard bilge drain plug, don't forget to seal the exposed face of the plywood where the garboard drain hole is drilled.
 

notsunkyet

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

ok im restoring a 86 Bayliner Capri and i would love to see step by step deconstrution and constrution of the transome area!!!!! can you please take alot of pictures for us!!!?:)
 

sho3boater

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Re: Bayliner Capi 1983 16' rebuild

In my '83 it appears they put the wood into the shell like stringers, transom wood, some of the seat structures, etc, and sprayed them in with a chopper gun. Some places have a lot like the edges of the transom board. The shell of the boat is high quality, the guts not put in very well. This one the passenger side rear seat has a vertical piece of ply that goes back to the transom about at the stringer, but it is a few inches away from the edge of the transom wood. The other side the stringer comes up next to it, there is space on top of the stringer enough to fit a battery, then it is boxed in under the rest of that rear seat with foam. The other seat is storage. Should note the splashwell does give it strength, and the three angles of the transom also makes it stronger. The side sections of the transom have no wood or not much I can see, and are heavy glass.

Mine is strong, it moves hardly any with me on the motor bouncing up and down. The only difference is I put mat over the inside, more than the chopper glass they had on it. There is no knee at all in the center. I can reach down to the plug, can reach back under the shelf for the gas tank. I drilled my plug out and wrapped fiberglass cloth around a tube of paper, soaked it and expanded the paper inside the hole. I had soaked the wood in hole with resin before this. That made a hard smooth surface inside. I put the bung on the outside with 3m5200 and really short screws into the glass only. I also filled the motor bolt holes with resin and glass fiber mix, had drilled them large and re-drilled them smaller to size of bolts. Also soaked the wood with resin inside before I filled them. I just put tape on outside and stuck the resin in with a q-tip from inside, some I poured it with a paper trough. I cut glass up to around inch long fibers or less and had some ground glass I mixed into it.

I forget what was in my boat, a traditional quality boat uses only marine ply that has more plies. However CDX (cheap) should have near the same strength anyway. CDX might have voids, but it is not much of an issue for a transom unless right where a bolt goes. I'd use marine ply in a performance boat but did not see the need with this boat. Marine ply is better for thinner ply in a stressed use its more durable. I don't think mine had marine ply in it, but it was hard to tell. Marine ply, CDX, treated...it will all rot with water in it. The key is to do it right and seal it well. When dry wood is some of the best core material to this day. Check out all those foam core boats that blew apart in those hurricanes.
 
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