Scary incident today on the water.

Mark42

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Me, my wife, Amber (9) and Eric (5) were visiting my sister and her kids today. They had just picked up a Sun Fish and Hobby Cat (about 11- 12 ft) sail boats. We were practicing and messing around in these beginner sailboats on the bay. Great day and great sailing weather with steady winds. Every was going well and my nephew was getting really good on the Hobby Cat.

After numerous outings on the water, staying within sight of the beach, my sister watched as the Hobby Cat with her son and my wife turned on its side, then turtled in about 20 feet of water, right near the channel marker (about 300 yards from shore). When I realized what had happened, and with the kyacks and two sailboats out on the water first thing I did was look around to see who was on the boat. I was relieved to see my kids were on the beach, and realized it was my wife and nephew out on the water. I was relieved that it was adults, and they had PDF's on, and there were power boats all around. I was a bit worried that they were crossing the channel when they flipped, so being hit by a big yacht was a real danger.

My sister was out in a kyack and her boyfriend was in the sun fish, and headed out to help. A yacht stopped and my wife got on after fighting a strong current in the channel that was taking her away at a good clip. My sister and nephew eventually righted the Hobby Cat. The boyfriend got there in the sun fish, and switched to the kyack and towed back the sun fish while my sister and her son sailed the H. C. back. My wife took a ride on the yacht back to the marina.

Everyone was OK.

I felt helpless as I had no way of getting out there to help, and had to comfort my kids as they were scared and afraid Mom had drowned, especially when the H C came back without her. Even I was wondering what was going on. With no communication, and only being able to see a little through the zoom of a camcorder, it was a tense hour or so until everything was sorted out.

What caused the Hobby Cat to flip was two things. 1) my nephiew was sailing, had one sail up so he was not running fast, and was leaning over a bit when 2) a 30 foot boat came by at high speed and too close. The wake was too much for the boat being leaned over and it turtled.

Everyone made it home safe and sound.

As my nephew and wife were shoving off for that trip, my wife asked me to come along and I walked up to the boat but then declined because I didn't have a vest on. Wish I had the vest on and had gone. Could have helped right the Cat much sooner.

My wife told me the Hobby Cat went over so fast she was trapped underneath. Her life vest kept her "floating" inside the cockpit and she had to push down to swim out.

Afterwards, we still sailed and had a good time. But it was tense, and the life vests prevented a scary situation from becoming deadly.

Tomorrow we are going out in our Bayliner, and my wife made me promise not get get a sailboat.

Hope everyone had a happy and safe 4th of July!
 

jakebrake

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

thank god everyone is ok! see? no good can come of sailboats!just hug extra tight, and thank god all is well.

pfds are a godsend, and it's good that the powerboat stopped to offer help. I wonder if that would happen in my end of the delaware valley

i assume the cows part of n.j. is near woodstown? (cowtown rodeo)
 

Les Robb

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

Amen

I don't even go out on the fourth anymore, just too many novices on the water at the same time.

Glad you and family are all safe
 

wajajaja02

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Mark is way up north, and Im further north by another 25 miles on the same highway. then I can go 20 mile due north w to pa and ny or due north to ny.

we both got cows.
 

i386

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

Glad everyone's OK Mark.

I've sailed those boats before and I can tell you from experience they are easy to flip even under ideal conditions. All it takes is an unexpected gust of wind while tacking or mishandling the line when turning about and you're wet. I lost a brand new Timex watch doing just that in one of those boats. It scared the crap out of me too because it happened in an instant. They can be righted pretty easily with a little practice.

Be safe.
 

jay_merrill

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

If by "hobby cat," you mean a Hobie Cat catarmaran, I think the first issue is that it really isn't a beginner sailboat. They are very fast boats and people that sail them hard tend to use trapeeze hiking gear to keep them from tipping over. That said, once you learn how to sail one, they are a blast.

I recommend sticking with the sunfish for awhile. They are easy to tip over too, but they are equally easy to right.
 

kenmyfam

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Glad everyone is O.K.
PFD's are worth their weight in gold !!
 

Mark42

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

If by "hobby cat," you mean a Hobie Cat catarmaran, I think the first issue is that it really isn't a beginner sailboat. They are very fast boats and people that sail them hard tend to use trapeeze hiking gear to keep them from tipping over. That said, once you learn how to sail one, they are a blast.

I recommend sticking with the sunfish for awhile. They are easy to tip over too, but they are equally easy to right.

Hobbie Cat is a small beginner sailboat, not a catamaran. Although Hobie is known for their catamarans.

Thanks for all the well wishes.

Because it takes two people to right the upside down Hobbie Cat, the new rule is there must be two adults in the boat if they go more than 100 feet or so from shore.

Thank goodness my sister had just taken the 3hp Johnson kicker off the transom that morning. She told me that until they get good with the boat she didn't want the motor to get soaked when the boat "turtles". Good foresight, huh?

It took my sister and her son both standing on the center board while pulling on the gunwale to get it back upright. No easy feat.
 

Bob_VT

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

Well since the incident has past....no one got hurt :)...... I would chalk it up as a good learning experience.

Mark I appreciate the feeling of being helpless and it is a horrible one.
 

Mark42

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We are packing lunch and launching the Bayliner this morning. Will motor over to my sisters place and pick them up on the beach. Yesterday I walked the shore up to about 4 feet deep to be sure there were no big rocks in the water the L/U could hit. There are a few boulders on the beach that make nice seats. Would hate to find one in the water with the prop!
 

jaxnjil

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

mark; don't worry to much about it.
our family did a lot of sailing in the late 70's and 80'. we learned on a sunfish and then a 14ft Hobie. i like jay thought a 14 ft Hobie isn't the boat to learn on but you cleared that up

not sure if your small Hobie has a lanteen sail like your sunfish but if it does practice just letting go of the sheet line and the sail will weather vain. if your quick to learn and do this you will hardly ever get knocked down.
it is quite common to knock down one of these and the braver they get and start getting into heaver wind for more thrills the more they will likely get knocked down. sounds like you already have getting them back up covered.

as a side note my wife and i used to take our sunfish out in 20 to 30 mph gusts and skip-jump the waves on a broad reach. this was on the lakes up in wyoming and we had wet suits. talk about a rush.

i hope they hang in there and get good a handling these boat. pound for pound there as much pure pleasure as you'll find. if its still and quiet on the lake you just drift along and relax and if not-well see above.
also you might be able to find a sunfish club and get into a little racing and learn more boat handling. they are popular and there are clubs around

best luck to you and them
 

Bass Man Bruce

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

2) a 30 foot boat came by at high speed and too close. The wake was too much for the boat being leaned over and it turtled.

This to me is criminal, and then not to assist is worse!:mad:
Glad all are OK.
 

Mark42

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

I wrote a few times this was a Hobby Cat. My mistake. It says "Hobie One" on the side.

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jaxnjil

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

tks for pic mark; have heard of the Hobie single hulls but i couldn't picture one.
thats a little more boat than the sunfish
 

Smig

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

...practice just letting go of the sheet line and the sail will weather vain. if your quick to learn and do this you will hardly ever get knocked down.

I was taught to think "hands away." This slackens the main sheet and pushing the tiller away brings the bow into the wind.

You can also tie an empty milk jug (with the cap on!) to the top of the mast - even if you capsize, it will help prevent the turtles!! All of the trainers at a sailing club near us have jugs - talk about a fashion statement! :eek:
 

mickjetblue

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Re: Scary incident today on the water.

I know a couple who are Hobie "experts" and the same thing happened to them last
year. It happened so fast that it was unavoidable. They recovered ok.

A wrong wave, a wrong wind, and any move makes for a bad day.
Always be prepared, and be safe.
 
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