My Boat Stopped Peeing

l008com

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So today my boat was idling at the dock while I was trying to run out all the old gas. And I noticed there was no water stream out the back. A separate problem I'm having is that the trim is dead, plus it was getting dark. So I wasn't able to check and see if there was anything clogging the intake. I have had that happen before, when huge chunks of lakeweed wrap around the bottom of the motor, and when you trim it all the way up, it all falls off. So it was late and I left it as is. I'll be going back up there Wednesday. In daylight, i'll be able to check out the intake and make sure these not just some weeds clogging it. I

So the question is, if it's not something super obvious like that, what else can I do to see why theres no water coming out?
 

l008com

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

OK so say it does need a new water pump, how hard/easy are those to install? How much do they go for?
 

Lion hunter

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

You will have an easier time than I do spelling, that was bad. Anyway they are fairly easy but I would get a manual before I attempted.
 

l008com

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

You will have an easier time than I do spelling, that was bad. Anyway they are fairly easy but I would get a manual before I attempted.

I bet they are easier when the trim isn't broken, and you can lift the motor out of the water :(
 

l008com

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

Old Mercury Outboards for Dummies? Where do I get such a book? :-D
 

cannonford57

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

so, 1008com,for those of us that dont live around ya,what kinda motor ya got.....and what year?oops,my bad its a mercury i can see,sorry.and the year will help us figure out what is ailing your trim system,......inside trim pump or outside.....
 

l008com

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

Oh and I did just order a book, off this very website too.
 

cannonford57

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absolutely no disrespect intended but good move on the manual thing.loads of info on simple stuff......
 

cannonford57

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looking back on my last post it looked a bit snotty.didnt mean for it to be that way......my apoligizes////
 

l008com

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

I've been using forums for 10 years that were about computers, programming languages, etc. Lately, I've been using vehicle and boat forums to try to get repair info. Uses on these types of forums tend to answer your questions with a lot more words, a lot fewer pictures. Not being a mechanic, I need pictures to see what I'm supposed to take apart. Point being, yeah I probably do need a manual.
 

l008com

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

OK so the pee has returned. 4 days later, i started the boat, and the stream of water started right up, then stopped after a few minutes. But a little while later it came back, and has been back ever since. So I figure it just got clogged with some ****. Probably related to the fact that my trim is broken, and the motor is way down catching all the crap when you in close to shore. Hopefully that particular problem is solved now.
 

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

I'm glad you got your pee back! No pun intended. Now maybe you you'se guys can help me. I have a 100hp 1991 Mariner with no pee. I droped the lower end and pulled the impeller and it looks pretty good. My first move before the impeller was to pull the thermostat because it was frozen shut. Does anyone have any ideas?:confused:
 

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

I'm glad you got your pee back! No pun intended. Now maybe you you'se guys can help me. I have a 100hp 1991 Mariner with no pee. I droped the lower end and pulled the impeller and it looks pretty good. My first move before the impeller was to pull the thermostat because it was frozen shut. Does anyone have any ideas?:confused:

All the pee has to go through the thermostat. That was the problem.

If it's been a year or more since you put in an impeller, put in a new one anyhow as long as yer there. They age a lot. No sense in waiting for a failure, risking serious damage, and having to pull it down again.

hope it helps
John
 

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

No! I'm still having a problem. I went and got a new impeller and kit today but have not installed it yet. I will try again after that. It just does not make any sense to me, the only two things that can stop the pee is the impeller or the thermostat right? Am I wrong here?
 

l008com

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I'm thrilled that I seem to be popularizing the use of the word pee to refer to used engine cooling water :D
 

rcmickey

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

Hey! Can't take credit till you see it in Websters Dic.:eek:
 

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

No! I'm still having a problem. I went and got a new impeller and kit today but have not installed it yet. I will try again after that. It just does not make any sense to me, the only two things that can stop the pee is the impeller or the thermostat right? Am I wrong here?

1. Don't get too cocky about pee. Those of us over 50 know just why it's called that. Picture this, cold morning, 4 outboards at the dock all peeing and yours is the last one. Odds are you don't make it to your boat without grabbin something.

2. The water pump sends water up the water tube to the power head via the exhaust plate. A blown exhaust plate gasket will cause you to loose water pressure by sending the water intented for the powerhead back out the exhaust tube. Very hard to detect this without a water pressure gauge except that the power head will over heat and you will rattle the writstpins at about 3000 rpms because of the excessive back pressure.

HOWEVER ____ The most common cause, and I do speak from experience here, is a damaged or misaligned connector sleeve in the lower unit. From the top of the water pump outlet port you should first have two "O" rings then the connector sleeve. Your connector sleeve should be the black rubber one and not the white plastic type.

If this sleeve is misaligned or split (mine was split) then the high volume pump will fill the lower unit with water before it builds enough pressure to force water up the water tube. You're water pressure at the pee tube will be less than 1lb if it even registers. At 4000 rpm you might see 3 lbs. These pumps are capable of producing up to 12lbs of pressure and 2-3 lbs at idle is supposed to be normal.

If you don't get this condition fixed, you'll end up with water in #4 and you'll be replacing the lower main seal. Would you like pictures?

As a side note and for the doubting Thomas's. These motors are 2x4's and run on two cylinders up to around 1800 rpms. They blow more water into them to keep the lower cylinders cool. This combined with a starved lean condition keeps them in a "too lean to burn" state at very low RPM's.

These motors were touted as the fisherman's dream, a big motor that will troll all day.
 

rcmickey

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Re: My Boat Stopped Peeing

Thnx for the image in my head, no thnx I dont need to see pics. I replaced the impeller and seals I will try to run the motor on muffs in the morning. By the way nice job on the re-store I will be painting my PrinceCraft SuperPro 196 the same color.
 
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