79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

stupidhawk

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Boat is a 30' 79 scarab with twin Mercruiser 350s. Boat ran fine last summer and i have taken it out 3 times this summer and same problem all 3 times. Boat idles fine on muffs in driveweay and on hte water. every time i put it in the water it idles on the trailer fine and idles to the dock fine. When idling out it does fine and as i apply throttle it will take throttle for about 20-30 seconds until the starboard engine loses RPMs and then stutters and dies. It will usually restart but every time it restarts it will run for a shorter time 5-10 seconds each time until finally it won't start at all. The port engine also runs poorly and all 3 times i have had to idle back on the port engine and it will only hold around 1500 RPMs running roughly and sputtering most of the time. Any more throttle will kill it and it will die.

The first weekend i thought it was bad fuel and tank was almost empty. I put in 60+ gallons to top it off and same problem. I thought maybe filters were clogged so when we got home put in 2 new filters and went on trip #2. Same problem again. Got home from that one and checked engine timing with timing light and its fine. Points system is gone both distributors have Petronix system and seems to work fine. Put in new filters again just in case and trip #3 had same problem. I bought an extra coil and i replaced the coil on starboard engine with no change at all exactly same syptoms. I changed the coil after we were tied up all day and both engines were cool. After coil change i had big hope as it started fine and held 3500 rpms in neutral for a minute at least i thought i had problem solved. When put boat in gear and got on throttles same problem as nose comes up and after about 25 seconds predictably the starboard engine dies first and has trouble, and the port engine runs like crap. I am thinking something is coming to the rear of the tank near the pickup and blocking flow. Any other ideas or suggestions? Thanks in advance i have been fighting this all summer and getting frustrated
 
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maxxman04

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

caps/rotors/plugs/wires checked/changed? fuel pressure checked?
 

stupidhawk

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

Caps and rotors last year, less than 10 hours since then. New wires and plugs this year. I am leaning towards fuel since that is the only thing common to both engines. They have separate pickups at the tank and everything else is independent between the two. I have not checked fuel pressure. That will probably be next step i suppose. Any idea why they would both run fine in neutral and only have issues once throttle applied and bow begins to lift? I am afraid that fuel pressure will test fine in driveway on the muffs since it runs perfect in that situation
 

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

under not load or even little load the engine only needs a spits worth of fuel to run correctly.
Once you start to push things the engine needs a lot more fuel to perform.
Its really more of a vacuum/restriction airleak test than fuel pressure. You can get a gauge at sears and the fittings at home depot.
good luck.
 

stupidhawk

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

If fuel pressure comes back good/bad where is the next place thing I start to look at ? I suspect that there is a problem with the fuel pickup in the tank, on this boat the tank has 2 separate pickups i am tempted to swith the pickups and see if the problems that are right now unique and predictable switch engines after i switch the pickup lines
 

stupidhawk

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

OK i have narrowed down my problem to the carbeurator. I switched fuel pumps on both engines and problem stayed the same. When I switched the carbs the problem is exactly the same and follows the carb. I had that carb professionally cleaned and a carb kit installed. Problem is stilll the same, in the driveway with muffs on it will idle fine, but when throttle is applied it has a heavy stumble and when it catched up engine runs at 1500 rpm. When boat is in water the resistance of the prop in water is enough to stall engine during this stumble phase. I have adjusted the carb so that the plugs are a nice tan color like they should be. Same problem.

Does anyone have a good idea of what i can look at on this Quadrajet that would be causing a heavy stumble? During this stumble there is a very heavy sucking noise like engine is gasping for air. THat noise stops once it catches up with itself.

This problem has been plauging me all summer. I have finally tracked it down to this but I am not familiar with these carbs at all and don't know where to start.

Thanks
 

Rob_NC

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

what is the fuel pressure at both carbs..you have got to know you have the correct fuel pressure(carbs it`s around 8-12 psi)...then ck while running....this is must...stills sounds like a fuel pressure problem...
 

stupidhawk

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

I really ruled out fuel pressure because switching the fuel pumps from engine to engine made no change. And when I switched the carbs from one to the other the problem followed the carb in question
 

parrisw

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

In the fuel inlet to the carb is there a small filter in there?
 

Rob_NC

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply issues I think

I really ruled out fuel pressure because switching the fuel pumps from engine to engine made no change. And when I switched the carbs from one to the other the problem followed the carb in question

..you still might have a problem in the supply..you must know the pressure at the carbs..period,,ck it...if there is a restriction you are starving the carbs and nothing that you have done has ck`d off that box...tank straners..stuck ck valves,collapsed fuel lines,stropped up junction blocks..the list is endless..ck the pressure at the carbs..at idle and at varying rpm`s ..only then would I start changing parts..trouble shoot the obvious first....:rolleyes:
 

stupidhawk

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Re: 79 Scarab fuel supply ssues I think

There is a small screen there but I have recntly replaced it when this started and it made no difference with how the carb ran.
 
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