1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

mike.sell

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I am new but I have tried to resolve on own by searching previous posts, however, am stumped:

I have rebuilt all three carbs ... #1 (top) was clean, #2 (middle) was dirty, #3(bottom) was filthy. All three tested at 110 PSI compression.

NOTE: Fuel diaphram was repaired two years ago. Water pump replaced two years ago.

Despite recent efforts, the motor still made the barking noise and would stall. As I understand from other posts this is called a "lean sneaze."

I noticed while running, that the top oil line before the engine was not pulling oil and is likely the source of the problem ... plenty of oil to #2 and #3. Therefore, I cleaned the check valve and sucked on it aftwerwards to verify it was not clogged (wow, does Gunk Carb cleaner taste nasty). I put it back on, verified oil was coming up to the check valve and the engine port was sucking ... still getting a lean sneaze.

NOTE 2: the amount of oil coming from the pump was a slow trickle ... not sure if I should have expected a more steady stream ... I am not a mechanic, but not afraid to learn so I just don't know if the oil flow is normal??? Is the oil pump bad?

Final question (again, I am learning), when I rebuilt the carbs, the screw on the top (the "Pilot Jet", #4 on the diagram) had three holes at various heights along the screw body was tightened down all the way. Is this where it should be?? I did back the "Pilot Air Screw" (#6 on the diagram) 1.5 turns, however the Pilot Jet is tight. I wasn't sure if one of the three holes was supposed to be aligned with the Pilot Air Screw ... comments on my rebuild woudl be helpful too!

Many thanks in advance, for your suggestions!
 

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deejaycee_2000

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

Was the fuel pump diaphragm repaired or replaced? The oil flow is very slow indeed as it mixes the fuel according to the rpm ... at idle it would mix around 100:1 so the oil flow will be very slow .... the jets must all me tight, only the air/fuel that is 1,5 turns outwards from soft stop ....
I am new but I have tried to resolve on own by searching previous posts, however, am stumped:

I have rebuilt all three carbs ... #1 (top) was clean, #2 (middle) was dirty, #3(bottom) was filthy. All three tested at 110 PSI compression.

NOTE: Fuel diaphram was repaired two years ago. Water pump replaced two years ago.

Despite recent efforts, the motor still made the barking noise and would stall. As I understand from other posts this is called a "lean sneaze."

I noticed while running, that the top oil line before the engine was not pulling oil and is likely the source of the problem ... plenty of oil to #2 and #3. Therefore, I cleaned the check valve and sucked on it aftwerwards to verify it was not clogged (wow, does Gunk Carb cleaner taste nasty). I put it back on, verified oil was coming up to the check valve and the engine port was sucking ... still getting a lean sneaze.

NOTE 2: the amount of oil coming from the pump was a slow trickle ... not sure if I should have expected a more steady stream ... I am not a mechanic, but not afraid to learn so I just don't know if the oil flow is normal??? Is the oil pump bad?

Final question (again, I am learning), when I rebuilt the carbs, the screw on the top (the "Pilot Jet", #4 on the diagram) had three holes at various heights along the screw body was tightened down all the way. Is this where it should be?? I did back the "Pilot Air Screw" (#6 on the diagram) 1.5 turns, however the Pilot Jet is tight. I wasn't sure if one of the three holes was supposed to be aligned with the Pilot Air Screw ... comments on my rebuild woudl be helpful too!

Many thanks in advance, for your suggestions!
 

mike.sell

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

Thanks for the info ... the fuel pump was repaired. The technician indicated that the diaphram had a tiny hole in it. That was about 2 ago.

I took it out this weekend and was able to run it around at trolling speed, normal speed, and high speed. No problems. After pulling into dock at idle speed it started after to "bark" again (very loud) and the engine cut out.

Do you think it could be the fuel pump afterall?
 

mike.sell

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

Sorry about that ... I realized that I didn't exactly answer the question. I recall mentioning that there was a hole, however, I don't know if he repaired or replaced. Given that he didn't have it very long (e.g. one day) and parts aren't exactly common for the older engines, I'd have to guess that he repaired it.
 

Central Bears

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

It should of been replaced,not repaired.Sometimes 1 1/2 turns on pilot air screw is not right on!while engine is at slow trolling speed adjust 1/8 turn in or out.hope this helps.
 

mike.sell

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

Thanks everyone for their input ... I was able to find the receipt from repairs completed two years ago and compared to the fuel pump kit on brownspoint. The part numbers were the same, thus, I was wrong ... they must have repaired the diaphram.

Is it possible the fuel pump diaphram failed again? How often should you change the diaphram? Thanks.
 

Central Bears

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

first off,if you don't have a "service manual for your DT65 get one.Clymer and sedoc are okay but they deal with all size.Get what you have!I took apart my fuel pump the other day to check diaphragm and O'rings.If you don't use alot and properly store motor should not have to check but once a year or so.Clean the carb's,I know you hear this alot from the guy's on the forum,but they are right.Suzuki's are babies,they need alot of care like the Jaguar I use to have.Johnson and Evinrude are like Rottweiler's,I should know, I have five.Good luck!
 

deejaycee_2000

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

A new fuel fump diaphram is cheap, you only need to replace it once as it seems that suzuki had a problem with all 65hp suzuki factory diaphragms .... soak your carbs in carb cleaner overnight and then blow out all the jets and everything with compressed air .... always run a fuel system cleaner in the fuel, it will keep the suzuki happy ..... also run the carbs dry before storage for a while ....
 

mike.sell

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

Thanks again for the posts!!

I am wondering if I am chasing the wrong problem. First, what does a "lean sneaze" really sound like? The nosie I am hearing is exceptionally loud and violent ... to the point that it will stall the engine. I am concerned that I am doing damage at this point.

Is a sneaze that loud (e.g. screach of metal on metal) and will it stall the engine?
 

Central Bears

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

After you rebuild your carbs and put back you have to adjust the pilot screw for your Fuel/air mixture.From 1 1/2 turns you either go 1/8 clock wise,or counter clock wise.Turning in will richen mixture,turning out will lean mixture.If you run it to lean or to rich for to long you can damage motor.A sneeze or cough is when motor is running and it decelerates like a choke or cough,than it goes back to idle speed.If you are hearing a metal sound,it might be something more serious is starting.
 

rodbolt

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Re: 1992 DT65 Lean Sneaze / Bark / Loud Chirp

that Chirp is indeed a lean sneeze. funny sounding too.
the above post is correct for those backwards mikuni carbs, screw the A/F mix in and it makes it richer.
what a lean sneeze is.
the air fuel ratio in the crankcase gets on the lean side of 14.7/1. the piston is on the way down, compressing the A/F mix it drew in past the reed valves on the way up.
as the intake port opens allowing the compresing intake charge into the cylinder the lean mix ignites in the crankcase and tries to stop that pistons downward motion and make it go bak up.
the expanding ignited gasses cannot go out the carbs due to the reeds so it goes out the exposed intake and ex ports creating a very load chirp sound and usually stalls the engine.
can also damage pump diaphrams and shear flywheel keys.
 
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