85 Force Power Reeds

PJGSP103

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I am trying to get a little more out of my outboard, I know from dirtbikes,You can change the reeds, Has anyone done this on there out board if so how did it help. I saw that they do have boyesen reeds for the force. Also how hard is it to change them.
PS what can i do to get some more power out of a 85 force.
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 85 Force Power Reeds

Some guys swear by Boyeson reeds. Personally, I have never tried them and think they look cheap. I just don't want to spend that kind of money for a possible marginal increase in power. The only positive I see to them is if you do break a reed petal, it will pass through the engine without doing harm.

You can try them and see if you get more power but in reality, if you do, it will still only add up to 1 or 2 MPH more.

There is no carb change that will yeild more power so forget that, and it is almost impossible to "pack" the crankcase.

If you are not worried about disassembling the engine, porting will yeild useable power increases. I have tried streamlining the reed vee blocks with zero increase in power over simply porting the engine.

HOWEVER: Remember that you are dealing with 50 year old design technology. Short con rods, standard crossflow design, crankcase big enough for a cat to wag its tail, small bearings, and so forth. The engine was designed to be a good, reliable, entry level, general purpose engine. There is no esoteric design that can be "squeeked."

Best way to get more power is to trade it for a 120 or 125. 120 would be my choice--stronger than the 125. Since the 85 is a small bore engine (3.3125), even the stock big bore 90 (3.375) will beat it hollow. However, don't think that overboring the engine will increase power Even at a maximum of .030 over, there is just not enough cubic inches gained to make a noticeable difference.

However, if you insist, port the engine and experiment with transom height and props. If it is earlier than 1994, and if it has a 1.72 to 1 lower unit, install a 2 to 1 ratio lower and increase prop pitch 2 inches. That alone will yeild a couple of MPH more. Porting, if done correctly, can yeild 5-10 horsepower more per cylinder.
 

PJGSP103

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Re: 85 Force Power Reeds

THANKS FOR THE INFO I ORDERD THE REEDS I WILL LET YOU KNOW HOW IT HELPS, I ALSO JUST DID A COMPRESSION TEST AND THEY WERE ALL AT 65 PSI SEEMS A LITTLE LOW.IAM NOT LOOKING TO HAVE A BIG HP MOTOR JUST WOULD LIKE TO GO OVER 35 WITH A 17 FOOT MAXUM BOWRIDER. iAM MAXING OUT AT 27 MPH AT 4200 RPMS.
 

eight tracker

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Re: 85 Force Power Reeds

Compression should be between 120-140 per cylinder on this size motor within 5psi among the 3 cylinders if not you have ring issues or head gasket issues.
tom
 

Frank Acampora

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Re: 85 Force Power Reeds

While most of the time I look questioningly at decarb treatments, at 65 psi, which is too low to produce adequate power, a decarb treatment could not hurt and may help to free the rings and raise compression.

If you had significant piston damage and/or scoring of the cylinders, the compression would be lower than 65 and probably not equal on all cylinders. Thus: this sounds like a case of sticking rings which a decarb treatment may help.---certainly could not hurt.
 

Unbalanced

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Re: 85 Force Power Reeds

FYI... I changed from the stock reeds to Boyesen and did not notice any difference.
 

PJGSP103

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Re: 85 Force Power Reeds

Knowing how the forces are i try to decarb after 8 hrs of boating,I checked compression dry, I was told to put some wd 40 in the cylinders and then try.I just put in the reeds i will try out on sat. if the rain holds off. Thanks all for the info. From what i could see the cyl. looks good no scoring, can I just change the rings.I never worked on 2 strokes but i have rebuilt many auto motors.
 

PJGSP103

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Re: 85 Force Power Reeds

:) The reeds didnt make much diff at top speed but helped out of the whole and raised rpms by 200, dont regret doing would recommend,and yes they do look pretty cheap but they did help a little.
 
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