Gale 35hp Sovereign , Help

LiL Blue

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Hello all , and thanks in advance for any and all help . This is my first outboard and it's on a 1960 Larson Pla-Boy that is ready for the water . I just need a well running motor :D Okay , for starters here are the model and ser #'s Mod# 35DE13B Ser # 789843 . From what I have read it is a 1960 which would have the same parts as a 1957 Johnson/Evinrude 35hp (and like half the '58s) .So the issue is when the motor starts it will run but it has a hard miss and will die at an idle and above idle the motor will shutter and keep running . It also does not take the throttle real well . When it is running it will want to die and if I enguage the choke it will pick up again like it is lean .I had someone do some work on it but the hard miss is still there .The carb was just rebuilt and there is a possibility the lean condition is taken care of but when I was adjusting the mixture the motor died ? No spark on both plugs .I started checking it out and found the flywheel key sheered . The flywheel was re-installed but when I pulled it the nut was definitely not torqued ? So.... I am in need of a good manual first .Suggestions ?? Also I need a good parts source ??? I need a new flywheel key .All the ignition parts are two years old with no run time during the two years .They look new. Can I test the coils or should I just replace them .I have read both ways ? Could a coil cause a intermittent hard miss ? I have not checked the compression but I would like to . Is there any trick to this since it is a two stroke ? What should the numbers be ? The motor has a new impeller and it is clean and visually checked out . I am just a novice and would like to check everything possible and make sure she is ready to run . There is also a mystery switch ??? or a ??? on the left side of the motor on the throttle that rotates with the throttle ? One wire goes to ground and the other to the wiring harness . Any ideas what this is ? The black wire that goes to ground is not connected anymore ? Is this important ? I have been told that 50:1 mix is okay to run but I read the opposite .The motor says 24:1 on it and I do understand technology has come along way with oils but ??? Well , that is probably a long enough first post .:eek:
Thanks again , Mike
 

sunkentreasure

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Re: Gale 35hp Sovereign , Help

There are probably far more people with more knowledge than me that will help, but I can tell you this...........

If that flywheel nut was loose enough to shear the key your timing could have been affected from the moment you started the motor. On top of that a loose flywheel is a thing to be feared and respected, as it could bend a crankshaft or actually come loose and injure someone :eek:. You're lucky.

I would guess that rechecking your ignition timing and a new PROPERLY fitting key are the first things on the list. Be sure there's no damage to the keyways first! Remember, "99% of carburetor problems are electrical" (old mechanic's saying).:D
 

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Re: Gale 35hp Sovereign , Help

Hello all , and thanks in advance for any and all help . This is my first outboard and it's on a 1960 Larson Pla-Boy that is ready for the water . I just need a well running motor :D Okay , for starters here are the model and ser #'s Mod# 35DE13B Ser # 789843 . From what I have read it is a 1960 which would have the same parts as a 1957 Johnson/Evinrude 35hp (and like half the '58s) .So the issue is when the motor starts it will run but it has a hard miss and will die at an idle and above idle the motor will shutter and keep running . It also does not take the throttle real well . When it is running it will want to die and if I enguage the choke it will pick up again like it is lean .I had someone do some work on it but the hard miss is still there .The carb was just rebuilt and there is a possibility the lean condition is taken care of but when I was adjusting the mixture the motor died ? No spark on both plugs .I started checking it out and found the flywheel key sheered . The flywheel was re-installed but when I pulled it the nut was definitely not torqued ? So.... I am in need of a good manual first .Suggestions ?? Also I need a good parts source ??? I need a new flywheel key .All the ignition parts are two years old with no run time during the two years .They look new. Can I test the coils or should I just replace them .I have read both ways ? Could a coil cause a intermittent hard miss ? I have not checked the compression but I would like to . Is there any trick to this since it is a two stroke ? What should the numbers be ? The motor has a new impeller and it is clean and visually checked out . I am just a novice and would like to check everything possible and make sure she is ready to run . There is also a mystery switch ??? or a ??? on the left side of the motor on the throttle that rotates with the throttle ? One wire goes to ground and the other to the wiring harness . Any ideas what this is ? The black wire that goes to ground is not connected anymore ? Is this important ? I have been told that 50:1 mix is okay to run but I read the opposite .The motor says 24:1 on it and I do understand technology has come along way with oils but ??? Well , that is probably a long enough first post .:eek:
Thanks again , Mike

As an old Gale dealer's mechanic, I'll try to answer some of the many questions.
1. A hard miss at idle (lean sneeze) is caused by a lean condition--if I read your story correctly. Could be a carburetor problem (maybe only adjustment) or something more serious like bad crankshaft seals
2. If the coils truly "lool like new" they have already been replaced and no need to do it again. The yeahoo that replaced them was the same guy that left the flywheel nut loose. When installing the flywheel, the tapers must be clean and dry and you MUST use a torque wrench to tighten the nut to 60-65 ft/lbs. Loose flywheel and /or shearing keys will destroy the flywheel and crankshaft and that's the end.
3. No mystery about checking compression. Remove plugs and gorund the wires, install compression gage and crank with the electric starter ti gage reads as high as it will go. Some will tell you that you have to block the throttle open, but that a four-stroke thing and nonsense on a two stroke. But go ahead and do it if it makes you feel better, I don't care.
4. The mystery switch is a mercury switch that is supposed to prevent you from starting the motor at a high throttle setting. Fix the ground wire for reliability.
5. It is supposed to run on 24:1. That subject will arouse more passions than any of the others.
6. Did I miss anything?
 

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Thanks for the replies . That helps . A little more to the story . I bought this boat that had been sitting for two years .The person I bought it from spent some money on the motor like the new ignition parts,they pulled the head , new head gasket , new belts and a overall check out .Then he let it sit in a field for two years ????? Don't ask me , he said he had no time for it but guaranteed in runs like a top .So , I tried to start it after cleaning out the fuel system ,checking the impeller ,new plugs and a visual check .It started and had the hard miss I am describing . Then I got lazy and since I didn't know anything about these motors I handed it to somebody else to get it running well .He rebuilt the carb and checked it over and said it runs great . I brought it to the river for a maiden voyage and that is when it ran for a minute with the same hard miss:mad: and then died with no spark and I found the sheared key .After looking it over some more I found a few other items I am weary of so I am going back to square one and I want to check everything and make sure all is well before I try to start it again .That's what I get for being lazy and trying to take the easy way out :rolleyes: I will check compression and get a new key and reassemble correctly and carefully . I will change my 40:1 ratio to 24:1 and try again . Any thought on what the compression should be ?
 

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Companies are sometimes secretive about their compression numbers.
100 psi is considered a minimum.within 10% cylinder to cylinder.
If numbers are off sometimes a decarboning will help.Use Sea Foam treatment follow directions on the can.
 

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The hard miss was either a plug not firing or running lean (sound like both). You won't have spark if you sheared the flywheel key. I'm guessing that the key was already sheared and the flywheel was slipping or jumping up and down, causing the the miss until it went completely. Replace the key, get the right fuel mix and retry. I would check evrything on that motor first, no telling what else is loose or not put together right.
 

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Well it is all back together and I checked compression . 120# in each cylinder . I think that sounds okay ? I have good spark and as far as I can tell it is ready to go ? I will change the fuel ratio before I fire it . I also need to get a set of muffs to fire it . So unless anyone else has any pre-firing suggestions I will give it a go tomorrow evening . I will check this post before just to make sure .
Thanks again for the help , Mike
 

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Well it is all back together and I checked compression . 120# in each cylinder . I think that sounds okay ? I have good spark and as far as I can tell it is ready to go ? I will change the fuel ratio before I fire it . I also need to get a set of muffs to fire it . So unless anyone else has any pre-firing suggestions I will give it a go tomorrow evening . I will check this post before just to make sure .
Thanks again for the help , Mike

Save your money, muffs won't work on it. You will need some sort of a barrel that allows getting the motor in deep enough (past the first bulge above the anti-cavitatin plate).
 

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I don't think you can run that motor on modern, after-market "muffs." Best to put the foot/leg down in a tub or barrel of water...make sure the water comes up at least a foot over the water pump spot.
 

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I have a non-factory service manual that covers all OMC (Evinrude, Johnson, Gale, etc.) 30-40HP outboard motrs built from 1956-1964. Send me your email address in a Private Message and I will reply with a scanned copy of the manual attached. Good luck with that great old motor!
 

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I have a set of muffs that will fit the motor and cover what I think is the water pump intake. Can you give me a little more info why the muffs will not work if they fit the motor? I also have a tub I can run it in but the muffs seemed easier!
 

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Disregard the above post . I figured it out .Muffs no worky . The tub worked fine and she ran pretty . We will have are maiden voyage this weekend .
Two more questions . First , any idea what the generator output is supposed to be ? The second , when I was running the motor I would run it at a higher RPM for a about ten seconds I would let off the throttle and it would take a while to idle down . I checked the linkage and the ignition advance plate(not the correct name I'm sure) and both are returning like they are supposed to .It acted like a stuck throttle but then it would idle down and be fine . Any thoughts ?
 

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I also need a little help from someone that knows more than I do.I have a Gale Sovereign 35hp model # 35DE12B Ser.# 766540.Can anyone give me year and any info I should knoe about this specific year.Greatly apprieciate any help I could get.
 
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