86 Johnson 90HP WOT problems. *Solved!!!*

pochejp

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I am just about to give up on this motor. It runs great at idle but will not run at WOT without pushing in the choke. It runs like a scalded dog when I do that. Let me give some history.

Last summer I was cruising out at the lake at about 3/4 throttle when we lost rpms and went down to basically an idle. After some extensive checking out at the sand bar I found that one side of the motor had no fire. I figured I lost a power pack. Easy enough. So we got towed in and I did the old swap the pack trick at home but the problem stayed the same. Same side was dead. So I figured the stator was bad so I ohmed it. Ohmed good. The timer ohmed good as well. All the coils checked good too. What the heck was going on? So I just parked it for the fall and winter. I started looking at it in April to get it going for summer. Changed the pins in the connectors, no help. Bought a new power pack, no help. Found a guy with a 86 Evenrude 85HP with a burnt piston that wanted to get rid of it, so he gave it to me. So I robbed all the ignition parts on it. Put the stator and the timer on my motor. BINGO. It runs great on the hose in the driveway. Runs great at idle in the water too just not at WOT unless I push in the choke. So I rebuilt the carbs and put in new kits. TWICE. No help. Re-ran all fuel lines with new hose and clamps, no help. Pulled the fuel pump off and apart and found no obvious holes or cuts in the diaphram. Checked it on a portable fuel tank I know works well on my dads boat, no help. The bulb on the tanks will not stay hard while its running. In fact the filter in the cowling area never fills up. It appears to be nearly empty while running.

Do you guys think this is a fuel pump problem? I'm just baffled.
 
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petryshyn

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Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

Hi
Have you tried squeezing the primer bulb hard while attempting WOT?
Did you swap coils from side to side?
 

pochejp

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Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

"Hi
Have you tried squeezing the primer bulb hard while attempting WOT?
Did you swap coils from side to side?"

Yes I did squeeze the bulb while running. It really didn't make a difference.

I did swap the coils and used some from the "spare motor" I have, no help.

Compression:
#1 cyl - 120
#2 cyl - 120
#3 cyl - 120
#4 cyl - 115
All checked with all plugs out and throttle open wide open.
Checked spark with gap tester. 7/16 inck spark with a strong blue zap. (Tried to get the wife to hold it. No luck)

I'm gonna try a pump rebuild kit and rebuild the carbs for a third time. I know for a fact that ALL jets are clean. I used a welders tip cleaner after soaking on carb cleaner overnight. TWICE!

Lost in Louisiana.
 

petryshyn

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Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

Sure sounds like fuel starvation. Try pinching off one "delivery line" at a time from the primer solenoid. Then push in the key while attempting WOT. If you find it helps on one carb more than the other, atleast you limit it down to that carb.
 

pochejp

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Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems.

Sure sounds like fuel starvation. Try pinching off one "delivery line" at a time from the primer solenoid. Then push in the key while attempting WOT. If you find it helps on one carb more than the other, atleast you limit it down to that carb.


Great idea. Never thought of that. That sure would help.

I'm going to pull the carbs off the "spare motor" and take them down and clean so I have a couple of backups. I'm getting pretty quick at pulling carbs. Unfortunately.
 

pochejp

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86 Johnson 90HP problems. *SOLVED!!*

86 Johnson 90HP problems. *SOLVED!!*

*PROBLEM SOLVED!*

After much heartache and cut hands I have the problem solved. It was the carbs all the time.

I rebuilt these carbs 3 times. The first time I didn't buy the rebuild kits and I reused the gaskets and o-rings. No help. Same problem. Would not run at WOT. Ran great at idle. Try to power up and it would stall. The choke pressed in it would run like a scalded dog.

Second rebuild I replaced parts with a kit for each carb. Thought I had it fixed. Cleaned out all the jets with a tip cleaner and carb spray. Put them on and the same thing. Took apart my fuel pump to find nothing. Put it back on and tried. Same thing.

So after much reading on this site and taking advice of the mechanics here I decided to take down the carbs one more time. I found that a couple of gaskets were not seated properly and I also removed all the jets with a modified screwdriver. BINGO! The jets were still dirty and half plugged up. Cleaned everything up and put back on boat. Took it to the river and man did it run. Hasn't ran that good in years. 5400 RPM turning a 13 3/8" 17 pitch prop. I checked the timing at 5000 and its at 24 degrees BTDC.

I'm happy. Going catch some blue crabs tomorrow in Lake Ponchatrain. Thanks to all who pitched in.

JP
 
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tashasdaddy

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Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems. *SOLVED!!*

Re: 86 Johnson 90HP problems. *SOLVED!!*

start adding seafoam to your fuel mix, it will keep those clean carbs clean. just follow direction on the can.
 

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Re: 86 Johnson 90HP WOT problems. *Solved!!!*

direction is what we get when we follow instructions.
experience is what we get when we don't.:p
 
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