1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

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Hello all, I just got back from a trip to 8000 feet and my recently repaired and gone over motor just wouldn't run worth a crap. I had a sea level mechanic work on it, and at sea level it was running like a bat out of hell. I am new to outboards but not 2 strokes. Anyways, while up in the high elevation I started to look at the carb and to try to find a air/fuel or fuel/air mixture setting, what I ended up finding are fixed sized jets located behind a lock down screw at the top of the intake throat of each carb. I pulled all 3 and located that I am running # 32 (straight 32, I've been told of 32a, 32b, etc, these are straight 32). Outer thread size is 5/32 (I'm going from memory at work, but I know to measure the outer threads because of different sizes for different slight variances on the carbs (the previous owner put a rebuilt 75 power head on it, but the carbs seem to be the original 73 65hp carbs.). From looking at online exploded views, my understanding is that this orifice located at the top of each carb (if looking at the carb while mounted with the air cover off) seems my PDF manual is calling this a orifice plug and screw plug). I originally thought this was air fuel mixture, especially since it looks like the air cover has a hole that should allow the screw plug and orifice to be accessed without removing the air silencer. (any help here?, is this low-speed) I thought I would need to get into the float bowl area to locate the high-speed?). I have a Evinrude repair/service manual on PDF, but its years 73-1989 (48-235hp) so it talks about them all and uses lots of "if yours is equipped with this, then do this"

Since I couldn't adjust the air/fuel for the elevation and it was running my vacation, I drove to nevada and was able to locate a shop where I purchased a 14" x 13 pitch prop, to replace my 13 3/4" x 17 pitch prop. This was enough to make the boat run 80 times better. I still had performance issues, and the motor WOULDN'T run at idle for very long, the slowest I could get it to stay running was at a gps speed of 3.8 MPH, no biggie, I tossed two 5 gal buckets off the back to slow the boat to trout trolling speed of 2.5 -2.7 MPH.

Anyways, with two weeks of messing with it, I would like to prepare myself for next year, I dont even mind buying an assortment of jets but have no idea what the 32's should be replaced with. I fish 4000 ft or so the most, but see a lake at 6000, another at 6800, and two at 7600 and 8000 ft. I know leaving it at 32's will protect me from getting to lean while at lower elevations, but I would like to have some help on say a size to try for 3000-5000ft, 5000-7000ft, 7000-9000ft. I also understand I have only seen the low-speed jet, but taking the carbs off the power head and dropping the float bowls to get to the high-speed no longer seems difficult to me know that I actually got into the carbs for the first time. Seems they can be taken off as a set and access to them can be obtained without having to disconnect linkage or anything.

Thanks in advance, I understand this could take quite a few posts. I welcome all suggestions as you guys are the experts.

-John
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

Consult an OEM shop manual ... it will tell you how to jet for altitude. Understand when you return to sea level or close to it the jets will need to be changed (or you will fry the motor from being too lean).
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

now I just looked at a table in my fuel portion of my online manual, and its talking about

Sea Level = 59D , 3000-6000 = 57D, and 6000-10000 = 55D, how the hell could I have 32, the oriface's that screw out are clearly stamped '32' twice on the oriface 180 degrees around, 1 actually has a 3 and the 2 is half missing from the notch where a screwdriver fits into the slot.

The entire manual table 1 doesnt have anything lower than a 41C and thats in the 6000-10,000 ft level on a 1977-1978 extra long shaft 85HP.

All three carbs are stamped with a number that matches, I will make sure to list that number as well, maybe I got weird carbs or something?

Thanks in advance, just trying to get more info to you all.

-john
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

where to get a OEM manual? From shop.evenrude.com?

Quick question for you, I have the motor numbers for the original motor, 65373R, but I was told that the power head was a 75 power head. I haven't been able to locate any numbers on it to positively identify the unit so I have been just defaulting to a 1975 75HP because I was told that it was a direct bolt on, and as my previous email says, I found numbers on the carbs, so in my next post I will post them for year/model identification.

Just curious, might have to buy 3 OEM manuals to get all parts covered?

Thanks.

-john
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

Top aft of the powerhead should have a freeze plug with the model stamped in it. Should confirm the model, in case the powerhead was changed. The OEM OMC shop manual for YOUR motor should have the correct jetting detail. My Dad had a shop in Santa Fe NM (elev 8650 ft MSL) for many years, and we routinely rejetted many, many sea level motors every year.

Manuals are available Ebay, kencook.com, etc. From your post, I'm not sure what books you have (OEM is NOT on-line).
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

yeah, I believe what I have is a pirated copy of the OEM manual, like someone scanned it and then made a pdf, the previous owner gave it to me, said original was getting bad and so he made a pdf so he could search, only issue is, you can search it, its not "text" its like scanned photos, so only page by page can be viewed. I ordered a marineengine.com claims is a factory service manual for the serial stamped on the transom mount. I know the lower unit and the power tilt/trim relate, and figured I'd start with that one.

I'm getting the carb numbers now.
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

the bodies of all three carbs have the following numbers on them:

322292

hope someone can identify those for me.

Thanks
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

Found some info; ->

"That carb stamp was used on 1978 70 & 75 hp models.The idle jet is listed as a .032" p/n 320016 and the main jet is listed as a .054" p/n 321407. "

That helps me identify the power head, now to look at the plug. The user involved in the above post also was claiming he had a 32 and 54D, seems my jets are the "production" jets for the 78 75HP, although different fuel standards today compared to then would probably require some alteration.

I'm sure with this info, someone can suggest my 0-3000, 3000-6000, and 6000-up jetting suggestions.

I understand that if setup for high altitude, I will need to change when at lower levels. I plan on changing the jetting each year when I spend my 3 weeks above 6000 feet and when at home running 0-3000ft setup.

Thanks in advance.

-John
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

the bodies of all three carbs have the following numbers on them:

322292

hope someone can identify those for me.

Thanks

Probably casting p/n's ... i don't think helps.
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

You need to id the PH as mentioned above. Jetting would not be any different than when the PH was built. I don't have the shop manual for your motor. Just chance that anyone else on here does, either.
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

Should have the PH number tonight, I've noticed it's REAL easy to look up motor part #'s from the transom, I haven't located anything that is a Power Head lookup. I'll take a look for the welch plug when I get home.

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

It's the same number ... unless someone replaced the PH, but it still would be in the same format, although some rebuilts are not stamped at all.
 

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Re: 1973 Evinrude 65 carb elevation jetting

I found the chrome plug. It had a big M on the top, followed by the same 65373R - 101925 on it, I recognize the 65373R as the 1973 65HP. So the story from the previous owner that it was a new 75 PH obviously is B.S. It has 155, 155, 156 compression on the three cyls, so maybe it was just rebuilt.

I wonder if the carb stamps are relative and if the carbs are the stock 73 65HP carbs or something else, like I said, on this site, I found another person saying they had the carbs stamped 322292 and someone in the thread said they were from the 1978 75HP motor.

Anyways, I guess I wait for the OEM service manual I ordered for the 73 65hp motor, hopefully it will say that the size 32 orifice is the stock jet and I can go from there?

Thanks in advance for any more inquires and information.


-John
 
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