RPM's guage works periodically???

jadssh

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Hi all, I just took my (new to me) 91 Lund boat out for the first time today. I have a 92 Johnson 90 on it. She ran like a top and everything worked just fine on her except the RPM guage. It worked fine when I launched her but when I throttled up and was cruising, I noticed the guage would work just fine then just go to O, then do that over and over. Any one have any ideas on what might be wrong? Thanks in advance. John
 

jonesg

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

I would first try removing the wore connections on the back and cleaning the terminals to new shiny metal. Do the same at the rectifier.
Clean everything and re-tighten good.
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

Possible it is the tach, though doubtful. The rectifier/regulator not only insures the battery stays charged, it also provides the signal for the tach. When these begin to fail, it shows up in the tach readings first, then eventually in a dead battery. Check it's output per the service manual.
 

jadssh

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

Thanks guy's for al the help. I'll get on it today and do some checking. Thanks again. John
 

countvlad

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

Possible it is the tach, though doubtful. The rectifier/regulator not only insures the battery stays charged, it also provides the signal for the tach. When these begin to fail, it shows up in the tach readings first, then eventually in a dead battery. Check it's output per the service manual.


hes right... battery might be charging but the diode thats on the tach circuit has failed and now currect/signal goes the other way to your tach causing the problem.... good luck
 

jadssh

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

This may seem to be a stupid question, but can anyone tell me where I can find the Rectifier at? I have a repair manual and it talks about the Rectifier, but I can't seem to tell where it is located. I have a 92 90 horse Johnson v4. Thanks for all the help. John
 

emdsapmgr

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

Your engine should have a combination rectifier/regulator. It is bolted to the top of the engine, between the heads, under the flywheel. You'll have to pull the flywheel to get it out.
 

countvlad

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

This may seem to be a stupid question, but can anyone tell me where I can find the Rectifier at? I have a repair manual and it talks about the Rectifier, but I can't seem to tell where it is located. I have a 92 90 horse Johnson v4. Thanks for all the help. John

you have a water cooled rectifier.... theres gotta be a chapter telling you how to change the rectifier or wheres located....

im not 100% if its under the flywheel, but its possible, underneath the power pack .... follow your instrument cable if you cant seem to find it... good luck
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

(Testing Tachometer With Water Cooled Regulator/Rectifier)
(J. Reeves)

A quick check is to simply plug in a another new tachometer as a piece of test equipment. If the new tach works properly and the old tach didn't, obviously the old tach is faulty.... but usually boaters don't carry around a spare tach (see below).

A faulty rectifier wouldn't damage the tachometer, the tachometer simply wouldn't work. This is due to the fact that the tachometer operates off of the charging system and the rectifier converts AC voltage to DC voltage, enabling the charging system. A faulty rectifier disables the charging system, and the tachometer simply doesn't register.

However.... those water cooled regulator/rectifiers that are used on the 35 ampere charging systems (and some others) bring into play a different type problem, and as you've probably found out, they are really a pain to troubleshoot via the proper procedure. There's an easier way.

The tachometer sending/receiving setup operates off of the gray wire at the tachometer. That same gray wire exists at the engine wiring harness which is connected to the engine electrical terminal strip. You'll see that there is a gray wire leading from the regulator/rectifier to that terminal strip, and that there is another gray wire attached to it. That other gray wire is the wire leading to the tachometer which is the one you're looking for.

NOTE: For the later models that DO NOT incorporate a wiring terminal strip, splicing into the "Yellow Wire" mentioned will be necessary.

Remove that gray wire that leads to the tachometer. Now, find the two (2) yellow wires leading from the stator to that terminal strip. Hopefully one of them is either yellow/gray or is connected to a yellow/gray wire at the terminal strip. If so, connect the gray wire you removed previously to that yellow/gray terminal. Start the engine and check the tachometers operation, and if the tachometer operates as it should, then the regulator/rectifier is faulty and will require replacing. If the tachometer is still faulty, replace the tachometer.

If neither of the yellow wires from the stator is yellow/gray, and neither is attached to a yellow/gray wire, then attach that gray tachometer wire to either yellow stator wire, then the other yellow wire, checking the tachometer operation on both connections.

I've found this method to be a quick and efficient way of finding out which component is faulty.... the tachometer or the regulator/rectifier. It sounds drawn out but really only takes a very short time to run through. If the water cooled regulator/rectifier proves to be faulty, don't put off replacing it as they have been known to catch on fire with disastrous consequences.
 

jadssh

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

Thanks everyone and thank you Joe for the information. I think I'm going to have a problem trouble shooting it. I took the boat out yesterday to go fishing. The Tach worked fine throughout the whole trip except when I was returning to the boat ramp. I noticed it went to zero once for about a minute, then shot right back up to the proper RPM's and stayed that way until I shut her down on the trailer.

In your experience if it's the rectifier, do you think it would be effecting the tach more often than it is? Maybe I need to crawl under the dash and check the connection to the back of the Tach to make sure I have a good connection. These problems are going to make me pull my hair out!!!! John
 

countvlad

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

Thanks everyone and thank you Joe for the information. I think I'm going to have a problem trouble shooting it. I took the boat out yesterday to go fishing. The Tach worked fine throughout the whole trip except when I was returning to the boat ramp. I noticed it went to zero once for about a minute, then shot right back up to the proper RPM's and stayed that way until I shut her down on the trailer.

In your experience if it's the rectifier, do you think it would be effecting the tach more often than it is? Maybe I need to crawl under the dash and check the connection to the back of the Tach to make sure I have a good connection. These problems are going to make me pull my hair out!!!! John

first chck the connections.. very possible ground might not be making a good contact or rusted... any connections might be rusted... if that doesnt help try the rectifier test... up to this point everythigs free as long as you do the work....

if nothing so far fixes the problem you probabl need a new rectifier...
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: RPM's guage works periodically???

Your last statement does indicate a loose connection, OR a tight but dirty connection that rerquires cleaning.
 
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