33hp johnson idles rough at slow speed

jjfun

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I have a 1969 johnson 33hp with electric start, It runs great has plenty of power for it's size great motor , I have tuned it, I have changed plugs and have redone the carb and have adjusted the needle valves numiours times but, I can not seem to get it to stay idiling or idle smooth at low throttle. the best I can get it is rought idle in forward or reverse as if one plug is miss fireing or it will stall in nutral. any suggestinon, I love this motor this is the only problem i have and it is driving me crazy.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 33hp johnson idles rough at slow speed

The top slow speed long tapered adjustable needle valve must have a perfect taper. The slightest ridge renders it just about useless. If faulty, you may be able to resurface it by having it in a drill press or an electric drill attached to a vice, then using a new file, renew that taper.

(Carburetor Adjustment - Single S/S Adjustable Needle Valve)
(J. Reeves)

Initial setting is: Slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Start engine and set the rpms to where it just stays running. In segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the S/S needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running.

Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

Note 1: As a final double check setting of the slow speed valve(s), if the engine has more than one carburetor, do not attempt to gradually adjust all of the valves/carburetors at the same time. Do one at a time until you hit the above response (die out or spit back), then go on to the next valve/carburetor. It may be necessary to back out "all" of the slow speed adjustable needle valves 1/8 turn before doing this final adjustment due to the fact that one of the valves might be initially set ever so slightly lean.

Note 2: If the engine should be a three (3) cylinder engine with three (3) carburetors, start the adjustment sequence with the center carburetor.

When you have finished the above adjustment, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.

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(Carburetor Adjustments - Two Adjustable N/Vs)
(J. Reeves)

Initial settings are: Bottom high speed = seat gently, then open 1 turn out. Top slow speed = seat gently, then open 1-1/2 turns.

Setting the high and low needle valves properly:

NOTE: For engines that DO NOT have a shift selection, obviously there is no NEUTRAL position. Simply lower the rpms to the lowest setting to obtain the low speed needle valve adjustment.

(High Speed) Start engine (it will run pretty rough), shift into forward gear, take up to full throttle. In segments of 1/8 turn, waiting for the engine to respond between turns, start turning in the bottom high speed needle valve. You'll reach a point whereas the engine will either start to die out or spit back (sounds like a mild backfire). At that point, back out the needle valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest setting.

(Low Speed) Slow the engine down to where it just stays running. Shift into neutral. Again in segments of 1/8 turns, start to turn the top needle valve in. Wait a few seconds for the engine to respond. As you turn the valve in, the rpms will increase. Lower the rpms again to where the engine will just stay running. Eventually you'll hit the point where the engine wants to die out or it will spit back. Again, at that point, back out the valve 1/4 turn. Within that 1/4 turn, you'll find the smoothest slow speed setting.

When you have finished the above adjustments, you will have no reason to move them again unless the carburetor fouls/gums up from sitting, in which case you would be required to remove, clean, and rebuild the carburetor anyway.
 

tashasdaddy

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Re: 33hp johnson idles rough at slow speed

agree 100%. if this does not fix it. you need a carb kit and cleaning,
 

jjfun

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Re: 33hp johnson idles rough at slow speed

thank you very much. is it possible to have the point of the taper too long or too short for the in hole? would emery cloth work ok ir is the file the best bet?
does the adjustment of teh hiogh speed needle valve effect the performance of the slow speed valve at all? Thanks for teh tip I will give it a try and see what happens
 

jjfun

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Re: 33hp johnson idles rough at slow speed

I re- did the carb last winter, if the needle valve does not do the trick I will do a cleaing and rebuild this winter. my needle valve packing nuts vibrate loose about every second or third trip out on the water is this normal? I have even replaced the packing washers once!
thanks again for the advice
 

tmcalavy

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Re: 33hp johnson idles rough at slow speed

Hmmm...could be your 40-year-old carb, if PO's haven't treated it well...the needle valve retaining nuts should not work loose.
 

jjfun

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Re: 33hp johnson idles rough at slow speed

the carburator looked like it was in good shape when I got it but you never know. thanks for the advice
 
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