Bad Vibe from Sea Ray Seller

rlb2252

Petty Officer 2nd Class
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Bad vibe from the seller.

First he seemed to have a preference for me to use his marine mechanic for the compression check. I talked to the mechanic by phone and he suggested that the boat was in such great shape it would be a waste of money to get a compression check.

Hmmmmm! Doesn?t seem like the seller would have a dog in that race. What difference would it make to him. Unless he had something to hide!!!!

Go to see the boat?120 miles away. The pics didn?t lie. It looked old and dated on the pics. I was hoping maybe the pics hadn?t done the craft justice. Disappointed.

The interior was nice, though, on this early 80?s Sea Ray Cruiser. Both cockpit and cabin.

The boat had a nice, newer mooring cover. But my girl noticed water in the cabin floor where the step down pump is located.

The seller quickly replaced the floor panel, hiding the water. Just seepage the seller said. We?ve had a lot of rain. Hmmmm. I thought the mooring cover was supposed to prevent the rain from entering.

Isn?t the pump supposed to remove water like that automatically, I asked. He informed me that the battery switch was in the off position.

OK. Ok. I kept waiting for him to turn on the battery so the step down pump could purge the water.

I had to practically twist his arm. Finally, he grudgingly flips on the batteries. Guess what? Turns out that step down pump didn?t work. The seller feigned surprise.

To be honest, the pump not working didn?t bother me so much. I assume it?s a relatively cheap fix. But what troubled me is that the seller knew the pump was bad and tried to camouflage this. What else might he be hiding?

Lastly, there seemed to be an inordinate amount of hull damage near the keel. As if the boat had been run aground. I wish I had taken a picture so I could post them here. But there were quite a few gouges, scratches and small chunks of fiberglass missing.

The boat bottom had been painted some years ago. Maybe to make this damage less noticeable. This paint was old, dull and fading away.

The seller told me not to worry about this because the boat bottom is at least five inches thick. No water can get in that way. He claimed that this damage had been done during boat retrieval when a roller (this is a bunk trailer) had malfunctioned.

To recap, my main questions are:

Would seller insistence on a particular shop for inspection be a red flag?

Is it normal for rain water to accumulate in the step down drain on a mooring covered boat?

In inches, how deep must a hull gouge be before it can cause problems: quarter inch, half inch?
 

Tubingluvr

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Re: Bad Vibe from Sea Ray Seller

Just my 2 cents worth.
Had this happened to me I would walk away and not even think twice about it.
 

5150abf

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Re: Bad Vibe from Sea Ray Seller

My only question is why did you talk to him for so long before leaving.

Ya, he is obviously trying to dump the boat and I would eat my shorts with hot sauce if that hull is 5'' thick.

I would keep looking, this boat sounds like a nightmare waiting to happen.
 

airdvr1227

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Re: Bad Vibe from Sea Ray Seller

Agreed. If he's hiding the obvious problems I'll bet it runs deeper. Did you hear the motor run?
 

windsors03cobra

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Re: Bad Vibe from Sea Ray Seller

I just looked at a 2000 Four Winns in the same shape, nice but but negelected for a few years. Tons of potential for the right price but of course everything anyone owns is gold plated and practically priceless.
This 2000 had about half a dozen little smaller pea sized pock marks near the keel along with normal scratching from beaching.
I actually looked at it for another iboats member a state or 2 away and he also walked away after seeing my more detailed than the sellers pictures, in his talking with the seller of course everything was perfect on the boat and the boat needed nothing, same old story. :rolleyes:

Good luck in your boat quest.
 

ziggy

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Re: Bad Vibe from Sea Ray Seller

best i can tell, most sellers are willing to lie to sell their boat.

never believe anything the seller says w/o confirmation imho..
 

45Auto

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Re: Bad Vibe from Sea Ray Seller

You have to evaluate the boat versus the price he's asking. If it's cheap enough, mechanically in good shape, and interior in good shape, you can fix the numerous small aggravations that sometimes lead to someone selling a boat pretty easily. If you have to pay a marina or dealer $65 to $100 an hour to do the repairs, forget it. In my experience, the vast majority of boat owners are as incompetent and cheap as the seller you're talking to. They'll let something like the floor sump drain go unrepaired because they are not capable of repairing it themselves (three wires at the most) and too cheap to pay someone to do it. Don't trust the seller to tell you ANYTHING about the boat, either know enough to check everything yourself or pay someone who does if you have to. The 80's Sea Ray Sundancers are very nice boats if they have been taken care of properly.

If the Sea Ray you're looking at has a refrigarator and/or air conditioner, the moisture from both the condensors drain to the step down sump. If the bathroom can also be used as a shower, the shower drain also goes to the step down sump. Any leakage around the windows (the early Sea Rays are notorious for leaking around those long, skinny side windows) or anywhere on the top deck forward of the windshield will also end up in the step down sump.

Check the compression yourself or get someone to do it besides the seller's buddy. Check the outdrive also. GET SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY"RE LOOKING FOR TO CHECK THE HULL!!! Bad stringers or a soft transom on a boat that age and that size are very bad news! See this David Pascoe review for an example of what a surveyer will look for. It should also be thouroghly checked with a moisture meter.

http://www.yachtsurvey.com/boatreviews/sundancer_290.htm

The Sea Ray Pascoe is looking at is one built after the Brunswick take-over in 1986. They had lots of problems trying to cut costs from the late 80's through the mid 90's. They went to a balsa cored hull in the early 90's which also caused a lot of problems with water soaking into the balsa and rotting the hull. The 80's Sea Rays do have a solid fiberglass hull, they're substantially heavier than the next generation. It's no where near 5 inches thick though! I'm going over to mine today, I'll check the thickness of the hull at one of the rear sea-cocks just for grins! Any damage that penetrates the gelcoat needs to be sealed or water can soak into the fiberglass laminates. I wouldn't worry at all about any gouges (we're talking small, local scratches etc here, not big areas) up to about 1/2" deep that have been sealed. Chunks of missing fiberglass is a totally different situation. Need a lot more info on that.

Decide what you're willing to invest in time and money before you look at the boat. Then either evaluate for yourself (if you have that knowledge) what it'll cost to get the boat into shape or pay someone who does know to give you advice.
 
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