Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

CheapboatKev

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

If you stay..
Is there any way that you can become involved in the sales side and earn commisions on top of your base rate?
It sound like you have the good people skills necessary, and when you stated that you have done things the company doesnt know about to keep your customers happy, well THAT tells me you have their interest at heart, and that makes for one helluva good salesman..me, eh I'm so-so..LOL
 

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

Amen FB. It's only a piece of paper. However IT around here are a dime a dozen. However the three guys we have now are awesome fellas and I hold no ill will toward them. They just walked into this. When it comes to profits, they only bring in around 25% to the table so our field is still the money maker for the company. Thanks for the kind words.

PhD----Piled High and Deep
 

tallcanadian

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

If you stay..
Is there any way that you can become involved in the sales side and earn commisions on top of your base rate?
It sound like you have the good people skills necessary, and when you stated that you have done things the company doesnt know about to keep your customers happy, well THAT tells me you have their interest at heart, and that makes for one helluva good salesman..me, eh I'm so-so..LOL

I've already thought that through, and to keep in competition with national brand companies, we have to keep our prices down as much as possible. Now video survellance has more leaway but the boss probably wouldn't go for it. As far as keeping our customers happy, most of them, and there are quite a few, have my cell number in case they have problems with their gear. So instead of going through our office or our monitoring centre they can call me directly. Usually it's something small like a programming issue. I would just pop over to their residence or business and help them out. Boss don't know this stuff but it's more for good customer relations, hence word of mouth.
 

lowkee

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

I hear you on the career change. I've been in IT at all levels for my entire working life and am recently considering a more down-to-earth business of a water-side coffee shop. We only live once, and doing something you don't like just to pay the bills (or even when it pays very well) just seems a waste of time.

Maybe this is a good time to begin researching what you would enjoy doing at any pay, then consider making a business out of it. Many people work for 'the man' simply out of fear of trying it themselves. It is easy to hide in the safety of an employer; Venturing out on your own is scary and, from my experience, never a disappointment so long as you manage your risk. I've had businesses sued out of existance and still look back on them with fondness and time well spent. Love what you do and you'll never work a day. Getting paid well for it never hurts, either.
 

rbh

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

All right TC-
Lets not bull **** the troops-
you are in Canada, newfoundland, population-small
opportunities-not so much
chance for advancement-get real
you may love were you live,
But if you cant afford to live or make a profit and be happy.
TIME TO MOVE? or GO OIL FIELDEN, or what ever you want can tackel.
rob
 

rbh

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

only thing I did not do is put
"HAPPY" with quotations in my post
If your happy, to h e l l with my post.
rob
 

tallcanadian

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

LOL rbh. I know what your saying. But Alberta will be the last place I live. I'll correct that. I will NEVER live in Alberta. Anyway, as you say, home is where you drop your anchor. I would move to another province but never will I leave the maritimes. And it's not advancement I want. I want more bling. Money talks, BS walks. The trouble here in Newfieville is employers want you to work your butts off for nothing. What burns me is that people are hired behind me are making more money and have on half of the work load.
 

SS MAYFLOAT

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Not letting your superiors know everything you are doing can be your downfall. At my job it happened. All the store managers were happy with my work, but to my boss all he saw was that I was doing very little on small issues. So I told the managers to call the "Hotline for repairs" from then on. Now my boss has found out that many of the little things that I took care are now being reported to him. He then realized how I was being a bit overworked. I didn't get a raise for the effort, but I did get an apprentice to train and help me on major repairs. That alone made my job more enjoyable as now I'm not rushed through repairs which can be dangerous at times.
 

Tacklewasher

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As far as keeping our customers happy, most of them, and there are quite a few, have my cell number in case they have problems with their gear. So instead of going through our office or our monitoring centre they can call me directly. Usually it's something small like a programming issue. I would just pop over to their residence or business and help them out. Boss don't know this stuff but it's more for good customer relations, hence word of mouth.

As SS said, this is a bad idea.

First your boss has no idea you are trying to go above and beyond.

Second, it is his company and he is the one who should decide what gets billed or not billed. It isn't your call to make. I know everyone wants to help out their customers and keep them happy, but it does usually work against you. Give the boss a chance to offer the goodwill to the customer.
 

Lightnig

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

Not everyone can stomach the oilfield lifestyle, nor the wicked feast or famine work cycles.

I worked the Alberta/Sask/BC oilpatch for almost 15 years in one capacity or another. Personally, I love the work, but having lived through more than one major 'bust' I have more than had my fill of the ups and downs. Now I am working IT for a local Bank. The money is no where near as good, and the benefits suck in comparison, but the stability is unbelievable.

As for recommending any one to come here to seek their fortunes in oil, no way. Unless you have someone who has a job waiting for you, or your job aspirations include running a goon spoon, forget it. Like I said, I've got some experience and a couple of skills, but I got sick of trying to find something in the industry, so ended up going for the big change - back to IT.



Personally, I am waiting for the oil to pick up in the Southern U.S. Once that happens I am so out of here. ;)

(and no, it won't be a case of a foreigner taking the job of an American, I is one too...). heh
 

Mike Robinson

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

....Boss don't know this stuff but it's more for good customer relations, hence word of mouth.

Maybe you can find a way for your boss to find out this stuff?
 

strokeoluck

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I've been working for the same company for 7 years now. I am a security technician, installing intrusion alarms and video surveillance equipment. Our company is made up of 3 businesses. Business supplies, computer and computer repair and us in security. There are only two of us doing this work and we bring in around 75-80% of the companies revenue.

Are you saying you and this other person "sell" 75% to 80% of the revenue, or you install? After reading your posts it sounds like you install the work. In my 22 years of employment (and a brief stint as a small business owner) the top salespeople earn more than 90% of the folks in the company, including some of the key execs. At one 1,000 employee company I worked for the top 10% of the sales force made more than everyone except the CEO, President and CFO. Most owners look at production people as worker bees; required...but a dime a dozen. As Jack Welch used to say "everyone is equal, but some people are more equal than others." If you want more income, one way to get it is to request a sales position. You think your outstanding customer service is selling jobs for the company. Odds are good your boss sees it as solid (or "expected") customer service. If you want to sell, and earn the income, then put together a plan for how you would secure new customers - then present it to your boss.

We go above and beyond to help our customers out and have done things that our boss doesn't know about, just to make the customer happy.

Ahhhhh, then tell him. Put yourself in his shoes. He's risked capital to start a business, he provides employment for others, he pays taxes, deals with employees, customers, legal issues, worries about competition, etc. 2% of bosses/owners will concern themesleves with your issues. The other 98% need to be reminded - it's your job to remind him. My 9 year old son was just lamenting the fact that his football coach hasn't allowed him to play the quarterback position during practice. I said "have you TOLD him you want to play quarterback?" Nope. "Well then how do you expect him to read your mind?!" Same thing in the workplace.

Anyway the computer technicans and the security techs have become friendly and spend some after hours time together. I have found out that I'm the lowest paid tech of us all. After 7 years I'm still the lowest paid.

If you are the lowest paid person AT YOUR POSITION (leave aside the fact that other positions are paid differently; my CEO makes more than me...and he deserves it), and this bothers you, then again you need to say something. Either your boss thinks you're not nearly as good as you think you are (sorry, but it's possible), or you're getting scr*wed and you haven't said anything about it for 7 years. Either way it's not good.

The computer techs have been there less than 2 years in total and are making more money than me. OUCH.

I know little about your world, but it "sounds" like these are two different positions - at least by title. If so, then frankly it doesn't matter if they've been there two days or two decades and make more than you do. You can't take that stuff personally if the jobs require different education levels, skill sets, or just plain command more money given general supply and demand in the workforce. Russia tried the pure socialism experiment decades ago and it didn't work out well.

What hurts even more is I do other work as well, such as cleaning the warehouse constantly, receiving freight, doing all the security paper work and billing, etc.

If you're still working 40-50 hours/week, then this is called "part of the job". I pick up paper clips off the floor, empty my garbage can and pick up guests from the airport now and then - none of which is in my job description. But it's called a recession, and I'm glad to have a job I love. If you don't like doing this stuff, then tell the boss. If you're working for a small company usually everyone wears a few more hats than you would at a large company.

I like this company and love my job but I'm pretty well at the end of my rope with it all. I think it may be time to move on.

It really does sound like you just need to have a beer w/the boss and do a brain dump (with some preparation on your part of course). Remember, the grass isn't always greener. It strikes me as odd that a number of people jumped in with "start your own business", because I didn't get that from your post(s). Sounds to me like you want fair pay, and some respect and appreciation. That's a fair request. Give your boss the opportunity to do something about this. If you have that conversation and he still won't take care of you, then you certainly have some options...

- Cut back your duties to those strictly required of your position
- Seek other employment
- Continue doing what you're doing and "suck it up"
- Start your own business (be sure to talk with a # of other small biz owners; you think you're a jack of all trades now; you ain't see nuthin' yet!)

Sorry for the long post...and good luck!
 

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

Unfortunate the oil fields are not doing that well at the moment. I can sympathize with you as i too feel that way from time to time. If the employer does not come up to par with the wage i would look for other employment. It may mean moving. That,s what i did and it worked out for the best and i went from welfare wage to top wage for my field. Just remember if you boss really wants you he will buck up if not hes just using you to fill his pockets.

just my two cences
 

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

College is no magical institution that makes you smarter or better than anyone else. I graduated with 2 bachelor degrees in engineering and at any time could go get my masters and PhD. Would that make me any smarter than everyone else? Would that make me any more money? Absolutely not.

Here are the demographics of two counties; one may look familiar to you ;)
What immediately jumps out at you is the difference in income and the percentage of those with advanced degrees.

If an advanced degree is not going to make you more money how do you explain the disparity between the two locals?

The median income for a household in the county is $46,022, and the median income for a family is $52,477. Males have a median income of $37,027 versus $25,443 for females.

The per capita income for the county is $22,836. 9.10% of the population and 6.40% of families are below the poverty line.

Out of the total population, 10.90% of those under the age of 18 and 8.90% of those 65 and older are living below the poverty line.

--Percent High School Graduates 85.1
-- Percent College Graduates 21.5
-- Average SAT Scores 993
--Expenditures Per-Student $4,502

The median income for a household in the county was $97,837, and the median income for a family was $110,907. Males had a median income of $57,959 versus $40,412 for females.

The per capita income for the county was $32,402. 3.90% of the population and 2.50% of families are below the poverty line, including 3.80% of those under age 18 and 6.90% of those age 65 or over.

--Percent High School Graduates 94.2
-- Percent College Graduates 60.1
-- Average SAT Scores 1076
--Expenditures Per-Student $9,048
 

jonesg

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

And it's not advancement I want. I want more bling. Money talks, BS walks. The trouble here in Newfieville is employers want you to work your butts off for nothing. What burns me is that people are hired behind me are making more money and have on half of the work load.


I went through all the same emotions yrs ago .
Then I got an opportunity to own a business, and I learned no-one was getting rich off my butt, I wasn't being abused .

Don't take my word for it ,go open your own operation, you'll see .

Long term employees often get less pay, new hires are paid according to current economy, one way to get into the current economy is make a parrallel move. And some of the best moves are switch jobs but stay in touch, because often the old employer will realize and you get hired back at current higher rates.

It boils down to what are you going to DO about it.
Not doing anything is not a positive move.
There are no null positions available to you with positive outcomes.

I know what I'd do, did it already and would do it again in a heartbeat.
 

tallcanadian

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

Thanks for the inspiring reply jonesg. I agree with you and it comes down to being totally in fear of failure to open my own business. I think lack of confidence is the issue. Plus this town is very picky on what kind of business you go into. Location here means everything.
 

tallcanadian

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

Here are the demographics of two counties; one may look familiar to you ;)
What immediately jumps out at you is the difference in income and the percentage of those with advanced degrees.

If an advanced degree is not going to make you more money how do you explain the disparity between the two locals?


I think I live in the wrong country. Wish my salary was that big.. sheesh.
 

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

Here are the demographics of two counties; one may look familiar to you ;)
What immediately jumps out at you is the difference in income and the percentage of those with advanced degrees.

If an advanced degree is not going to make you more money how do you explain the disparity between the two locals?

First off.....is that in US or Canadian $'s? lol

Secondly, my point is that a degree doesn't make someone smarter than one person with out. Is it important to get a degree? For most cases ABSOLUTELY!! In reality, you will forget more and more each year after you graduate. So what's the point then? Why does a college degree get you more money than just a high school degree? Its because a college degree shows an employer that you have the dedication and commitment to finish a long term goal, that you can multi-task, and learn things at a very quick pace. Its basically a "screening" for an interview before you actually get to meet the employer. On the flip side, if you work for an employer and don't have a college degree, you still can show them you have the same kind of skills as a college grad.

As for Masters & PhD's, it really won't make you any more money unless you go into medicine, law, research etc. It all winds up boiling down to what is the overall employement demand of the field into which you recieved your degree.
 

jonesg

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Re: Can't seem to get ahead at work. Maybe time for a new career.

You are only limited in salary by you. The country has nothing to do with it.

Yes.!
Opportunties can only be limited by self.

Fear of failure can be turned to positive use, if you like just working 5 hrs a day then the fear is real, if a person is somewhat driven by their fear to work hard and long then its good, so its not actually fear..

Stepping around an open manhole cover isn't fear, its prudence.

There isn't a geographic solution to fear because we take it with us, ever notice Macdonalds opens directly opposite the competition?

Just before we opened our first business we talked to a guy who said he had planned to open in the space we had our eye on.
I asked why he didn't and he said because someone else with the same idea opened up just down the street.

So I asked him...what if you had opened first then the other guy opened after you, would you close up shop and sell all the equipment ?

Then he said my wife won't let me.
I said "divorce her.!!"
"If you don't believe in yourself, don't expect anyone else to."

Now HE had fear to the point he was lying to himself.
 
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