Fun sounds

erikgreen

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21 foot Sea Ray with a 350 mercruiser and pre-alpha drive.

I was driving my boat on Lake Superior yesterday when I started hearing a repeating sound... hard to describe, kind of like the engine was missing on one cylinder... cyclic sound, speed up as throttle increased.

I listened to it for a few minutes trying to figure out what it was... no luck, didn't seem to be anywhere in the engine, and I'm still not used to all the sounds the engine makes, even though it's nearly new. I figured something might be going bad, but I was planning on servicing the drive soon to replace the lower shift cable anyway, and this is the last trip for the year, so I decided to not stress the engine for that day.

I wanted to make one last trip to my favorite wreck to try and get some good pictures of it with the sonar (been trying all summer).

Got up to about 17 knots (max WOT is 35) and heard a bang... the way I describe the sound is like when you get a free game on a pinball machine.. it makes that hammer noise and the whole machine shakes. I lost power immediately, so I dialed the throttle back to neutral. The engine was still running, but I had a new, not good noise happening, so I shut it off and opened the doghouse to look.

No water coming in (well, no more than usual) and no gear lube. No puddle of lube spreading behind the boat, either. So far so good.

So I radioed my friends with boats for a tow... too far away. Tried the cell phone, and they said they'd be down as soon as they unloaded people.

I decided to try limping back at 3-4 kts if I could. Tried to start the engine twice, it turned over, then locked up. At that point the starter wouldn't turn it over any more. Plenty of battery power though.

I figured the drive broke and was holding the engine stuck, and didn't try the starter any more for fear of ruining the Bendix or flywheel.

So two hours later after getting a tow I got it back on the trailer. Nothing obvious wrong, the bellows are intact (whew). Tonight I pull it apart and see what's going on.

My own guess is going to be U-joint, because of the noise it was making plus the fact the drive seized up. I'd think gears would grind instead of sieze, and I know the clutch was working after the big bang (I shifted).

I'm lucky the bellows didn't get torn.. I'd have survived a while in the 55 degree water, but maybe not long enough to get picked up. The shore there is a cliff, and I didn't have a dry suit with. Although if it had been a typical day I'd have had 40 degree water, in which case I'd definitely have been toast.

Erik
 

FreeBeeTony

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Re: Fun sounds

Too bad erik..........

If I remember correctly you were switching/swapping between 2 drives.....1 not much better than the other(?) And you engine was a Rapido product...

All I can say is good luck..........hope it's as simple as possible!!
 

erikgreen

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Re: Fun sounds

Yeah, I'm sure the engine is good. The drive was one that had been through a lot, including a car accident, so I'm not surprised it had issues. I bolted on a skeg replacement this spring to get one more season out of it, and had been working well, I serviced it, changed lube, greased it.

If it's the U-joints I suspect they took some damage in the crash and took this long to finally break... they were probably affected when the motor came off its mounts when the boat hit the road.

We'll see... like I said, I'm pretty sure the motor is ok, so maybe all I need is a new drive...
 

snoski

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Re: Fun sounds

Sounds like the noise mine was making as the outdrive finally failed. I was trying to "limp" mine to a repair shop on the water when the big bang finally occured and was dead in the water.
 

jtybt

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Re: Fun sounds

All you can do is pull the drive and see what seized up.

You can usually tell if the noise/bang came from the engine or drive.
 

Bondo

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Re: Fun sounds

Ayuh,.... I'm Seriously Doubtin' the U-joints,+ Goin' with the top Gears....

You had a chipped/ shattered tooth that finally broke off,+ wedged against the other gear...
 

erikgreen

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Re: Fun sounds

Hmmmm... half right, Bond-o.

I took the unit off and got the upper shaft apart, I'll separate the halves later... but from what I can see/feel, the upper gears, input shaft, seals, and bearings are just fine. No sign of water or wear, U-joints intact and operating smoothly. Splines not chipped or rounded.

When I took the plug out of the lower half to drain the lube, it had a lot of metal shavings on it.....

Just a theory at this point, but I did have a truck/boat accident with this thing three years ago (wow, that long?) when I first got it, and the lower unit hit hard enough to crack the support holes for the trim rams and dent the lower gear case. I lost most of the skeg at that point too.

I think something inside probably got bent out of true then, and it's been rubbing ever since.

I'll look at it more tomorrow, but it doesn't really matter too much what's wrong... if it's a gear or clutch problem I don't have the tools to fix it (or really even take it apart), and it's not worth paying a mechanic to repair it when I can get a new SEI lower for about $700 shipped.

More details and pics when I find the problem. In the meantime I'm going to be looking for a new lower half :mad::mad::mad:

Erik
 
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