As usual... a shift problem.

jscp2006

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I have a 89 chaparral 187xl with 4.3 and alpha outdrive. the boat has been awesome. The problem im having is when the boat is in the water its tough to shift the handle forward and reverse. Plus it won't go into neutral when put in neutral position. It just idles in forward or reverse depending on what gear it came out of. But when i shut the boat off with key, and start it back up it is in neutral. Really dont want to take it to any shop around me, they are not known for great work. Any thoughts...
 

cdreed06

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

Hey I am having the same trouble, I'll be interested to read what you find out.
 

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

The problem im having is when the boat is in the water its tough to shift the handle forward and reverse.

Ayuh,..... And as Usual...
It sounds like your lower shift cable needs replacing,+ the interupt switch needs it's wiring investigated....

There's Manuals up in the Adults Only section that Explain the procedures...
 

jtybt

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

Disconnect remote shift cable from the interrupt shift plate and move the throttle/shift lever. It should move smoothly. Sounds like there's binding in the remote cable
 

proxyx

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

your shift cable needs... adjusting I'd say, but that's just me...

Here, I saved it as text file (don't know where from) - stole it...?
Comprehensive and clear.
Thanks to the author whoever that is.

Edit: I found it here:
http://forums.iboats.com/showthread.php?t=158082




I/O Shift Cutout Switch Adjustment, Submitted by AChris.

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Mercruiser MC-1, R, MR, Alpha One, Gen II shift system

Many people ask about the shift cable setup and the shift cutout switch. Here is an explanation of how it all works and how to set them up. This will assume that there are no ongoing problems, like stiff cables or excess slack in the shift system.

Theory of operation
(Courtesy of "Qystan")
The shift cutout switch "can" work in both going into gear and out. Let me explain.

If you study the intermediate shift plate and the linkage. The function it performs is for the upper shift cable to move the lower (both directions) and allow one to move independently of the other. When independent movements occur, the shift cutout switch will sense this and cause the ignition to be cutoff, ignition is restored when the cables synchronize.

So how does this work? The gear design allows shifting into gear quite easily, hence engaging gears is usually not a problem and the 2 cable movements stay synchronized during the engagement cycle, the switch is never actuated. If you have a sticky lower cable, the upper cable movement will result in an out of sync situation if the lower cable does not move. The switch will be actuated and kills the engine.
Shifting out is slightly different, due to the gear undercut, the gears do not disengage easily. This will always result in non-movement of the lower cable and actuating the switch. When the engine 'dies' the torque on the gears which holds them together is removed, allowing the gears to disengage. In disengaging, the lower cable moves and synchronizes with the upper cable, resets the switch, restores ignition.

Bad cable adjustments which misaligns the upper and lower cable neutral position will cause engine dying during engaging shifts. The misalignment gives an upper cable 'overtravel' which the lower cable cannot synchronize due to its limited travel. Symptoms would be engine dying going into gear in one direction but the other is OK.

Adjustment of the cables
1. Remove both the shift cable (to leg) and the control cable (from control box) from the shift plate.
2. Push in on the end of the cable and have someone turn the prop slowly Counter clockwise at the same time. When the prop stops the unit is in Forward gear.
3. Adjust the brass barrel until the distance between the centre line of the brass barrel and the cable end guide mounting hole center is EXACTLY 6 inches. (pre-1974, 5-7/8")
4. Re-install the shift cable onto the shift plate. DO NOT change this adjustment again.
5. With the control lever at full throttle in forward adjust the brass barrel to line up with the guides on the plate. DO NOT install the cable at this point.
6. Turn the brass barrel AWAY from the cable end guide 4 turns. Install the cable on the shift plate.
7. Move the control lever to the full reverse position, as the helper turns the prop slowly clockwise until it stops.
8. Check the shift cutout switch roller position. If is has moved from the centre position, adjust the brass barrel on the control cable, one turn at a time (maximum 4 turns) until the roller is in the centre position.
9. Secure the cables with the nyloc nuts. DO NOT tighten them onto the barrels.

Cutout switch
The cutout switch should also be checked. The correct adjustment for the switch is to activate when the switch arm has moved 1/8". Check this with a 1/8" drill and a multimeter. With the key 'OFF' put the multimeter across the switch (points ignitions will have to have the points open for this) and start moving the switch arm. When the meter shows that the switch has closed, check the gap between the switch arm and the actuating lever, it should be 1/8". Bend the arm of the switch to achieve the dimension.


PS. don't forget to check shifter operation as per previous post by jtybt.
 

bigskiohio

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

a adjustment sometimes helps , mine would not go into reverse fully while i was on vacation so i adjusted it and it works great now, shifts better now then it ever has. it is 30 yrs old.
 

jscp2006

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

Was inspecting the shift interrupt switch wiring this afternoon and its not even hooked up. there are 2 wires coming off of it and there are 2 wires sitting by themselves that seem like they could mate with those off the switch. i tested both wires and neither was hot with key on. one is black and one is green and white. any more help would be appreciated. thanks
 

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

interrupter (disconnected here) allows rpm to drop to disengage the gears... if disconnected shifting will be tough. Shut down the engine, can you switch to neutral? if so then connect the interrupter switch (wht/grn and ground) - should help.
 

jscp2006

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

One more question...
where should this boats exhaust be coming out. saw some water coming out of the front of the outdrive.(where it mounts to boat). is this normal(ok)? and when does the shift switch work, just when the boats underway because the the green/white wire was not hot when boat was on.
thanks again.
 

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

One more question...
where should this boats exhaust be coming out. saw some water coming out of the front of the outdrive.(where it mounts to boat). is this normal(ok)?
That is normal.
 

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

... never seen it on mine, maybe I missed something, depending where it's coming from...
anyway,

and when does the shift switch work, just when the boats underway because the the green/white wire was not hot when boat was on.
thanks again.

operate the shift lever and you'll see when the plate engages the switch (in and out of gear). Don't know why you assume it should be hot. Switch grounds ignition when changing neutral to gear and back. If you connect the switch and your shift cable is not adjusted expect to loose spark -> Adjust the shift cable. See the instruction above.
 

bruceb58

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

... never seen it on mine, maybe I missed something, depending where it's coming from...
That's the area of the relief ports...perfectly normal.
 

jtybt

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Re: As usual... a shift problem.

On the green/white wire...there's a terminal block right by the cut-out switch with matching color wires going to it. Connect like to like color wires.

Someone didn't know how to adjust the interrupt switch and just disconnected them. He was probably killing the engine when ho tried to shift.
 
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