1980 85 HP Seahorse

mfeib

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I have a 1980 85HP Johnson Seahorse. I have it mounted on a 1980 17' McKee Craft Southporter. While out fishing yesterday I ran her at trolling speed for about an hour, after that I gave her full throttle, but I did not get any power. Usually my top speeds are in the 30 mph range, I only was getting around 10 mph. I tried pumping the fuel primer and noticed no difference. I trailered the boat home, at home I pulled the plugs, all looked normal. I then pulled the cables one by one while it was running, I have spark on all 4 plugs. But when I pulled one of the cables it would arc and shock me through the linesman pliers. I did it a few more times and could actually see the arc coming through the boot. Is it possible that is causing me to loose spark in that plug? Could that be causing my power loss? There is a noticeable difference in the sound of the motor when I remove the boots one by one. Any suggestions or advice would be greatly appreciated.
 

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Re: 1980 85 HP Seahorse

I forgot to mention, I was only getting between 2500 and 3000 rpms while on the water. On driveway between 5000 and 6000.
 

Joe Reeves

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Re: 1980 85 HP Seahorse

If that arcing boot is one of the bottom cylinders, it's possible that it is arcing thru to one of the metal hood latches.

DO NOT EVER open the throttle when running on a flushette as no back pressure exists. This can result in a runaway engine whereas the rpm will continue climbing even with the throttle closed. By the time you figure out how to stop the engine, connecting rods will be flying out the side of the crankcase.
 

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Re: 1980 85 HP Seahorse

Replace the faulty boot on general principles. WD40 is a great help in installing it.

Sparkplugs should be Champion QL77JC4 plugs, gapped at .040 .

(Compression & Spark Test)
(J. Reeves)

1st - Regardless of what problem one might encounter, always start with the basic troubleshooting procedure. Check the compression which should be in the range of 100+ psi (somewhat less on the smaller hp engines) and even on all cylinders.

2nd - With the spark plugs removed, rig up some type of spark tester whereas you can set a gap to be jumped. On magneto ignition systems.... and also the Battery Capacitance Ignition system OMC engines from 1968 to 1972, set the gap to 1/4". On the solid state OMC ignition systems from 1973 to the present, set the gap to 7/16". The spark should jump the gap with a strong blue lightning like flame..... a real strong blue snap!

NOTE: Checking the spark via using the spark plugs is a waste of time and proves nothing. The above stated gaps must be used for a proper test.

If there was no spark, on engines from 1973 up (If the electrical plug exists), disconnect the RED main electrical plug at the engine. Remove the s/plugs. crank the engine via the starter solenoid (jumper bat term to small 3/8" term nut, not the ground nut) and observe spark. If spark is now okay as stated above, the usual cause is a shorted ignition switch BUT that black/yellow wire could also.be shorted to ground at some point wthin the wiring harness.

For the later model engines where that large RED electrical plug was discontinued for updated electrical connections, find the black/yellow wire leading to the powerpack and disconnect it to run the above ignition switch/wiring harness test.

If the above checks out as it should, and the engine dies out when throttle is applied or won't idle, it is usually due to one or both of two things. The carburetors are fouled, in which case the cure would be to remove, clean, and rebuild them..... or the timer base under the flywheel is sticking which would result in a retarded spark. If the engine will not fire/start at all even though you have the proper spark and compression, it's usually due to fouled carburetors.

To check the timer base for sticking (Engine Not Running), spin the prop to align the shifter dog with forward gear and while doing so, put the engine into forward gear. Now, while watching the timer base, slowly apply throttle clear up to full throttle. The timer base should move smoothly all the way up against the black rubber cap that is atached to the end of the full advance spark setting screw. If the timer base sticks, find out why and correct that problem.

Usually any sticking of the timer base is caused by one of the four retaining clamps being slightly too tight. Putting a very thin washer under the clamp cures that problem. Some boaters use a thin screwdriver to bend the clamp upwards slightly but I prefer the thin washer. The sticking can also be caused by having a faulty stator start to melt down, resulting in a sticky substance dripping down on the timer base nylon retaining ring.

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If compression and spark is as it should be, it's possible that a small particle is floating around inside the carburetor float chamber which is being drawn down to block on of the high speed jets, something of that nature.
 

mfeib

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Re: 1980 85 HP Seahorse

Thanks for the advice. I will try that over the weekend and post my results.
 

mfeib

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Re: 1980 85 HP Seahorse

I also failed to mention that motor runs fine at trolling speed and at idle, it does not sputter at all.
 

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Re: 1980 85 HP Seahorse- resolved

Re: 1980 85 HP Seahorse- resolved

Compression and spark were good, no sputtering so I figured carbs were good, sure enough found linkage to throttle cam off, reconnected same, back in business.
Joe Reeves, thanks for your help.
 
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