anyone else ever get harrassed by drunks on a speed boat?

cheburashka

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Re: anyone else ever get harrassed by drunks on a speed boat?

I'm wondering whether a bullet in the engine would actually stop it. There's not that much to hit. What part would you aim at? How would you ensure that it actually got the job done?
 

45Auto

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Re: anyone else ever get harrassed by drunks on a speed boat?

Trust me, you get hit in the face with OC spray, finding a weapon is the LAST thing on your mind.

TOTALLY false statement there. If someone is determined to hurt you, all it'll do is slow them down by interfering with their vision. Seen it too many times to count.

As far as personal experience, I went through a law enforcement academy a few years ago. One of the requirements to be able to carry OC is to be sprayed in the eyes and face (with the law enforcement only OC, I forget the heat rating, but it is MEAN stuff), then run through a 3-station course with the stations about 20 yards apart: 1st station you had to do hand strikes against someone in protective gear, 2nd station you had to do foot strikes against another trainer in protective gear, 3rd station you had to draw your baton and do body strikes until another trainer came up behind you and tried to take your weapon, at which time you had to do weapon retention actions. The whole thing is videoed and kept as part of your training records.

There were 14 people in the academy, no one had any problems with the course. 1 guy it had NO AFFECT at all on, might as well as have thrown water in his face. 2 or 3 were minimal effects and didn't even slow them down. I was actually the most affected, I couldn't open my eyes to drive home for almost 2 hours. But I could force my eyes open for a second or 2 to go after whoever I needed to. It definitely wasn't fun, but the purpose was to be able to prove that you could still function if sprayed, and defend yourself in court if you had to use your firearm against someone you had sprayed. You would be able to testify that you had personal experience with being sprayed and were aware that it didn't necessarily incapacitate, and the subject was still capable of inflicting death or serious bodily injury on you or someone else. They would produce your training records as evidence in court. Never personally seen it happen in the case of a shooting, but have seen it used numerous times in claims of excessive force against someone that had already been sprayed, etc.
 

45Auto

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Re: anyone else ever get harrassed by drunks on a speed boat?

j_martin said:
I'm afraid for my life, but I don't want to kill someone if I can stop him. If I take the engine, and cover him while I escape, I've met the goal.

As others have stated, you obviously aren't in serious fear for your life if you're shooting at the motor. The motor isn't the threat, the people are.

How do you know one of them doesn't have a gun??

Once YOU pull your gun and start shooting, now THEY are legitimately in fear for their life. If one of them pulls a gun and blows you away once you've STARTED the shooting (believe me, they're not paying attention to exactly what you're shooting at, all they know is you're shooting at them!!!) no court in the US will convict them. You'll be dead with a hole in your chest, and they'll have the bullet holes in their boat as proof that you were shooting at them. Your family will be allowed to trust the court system to provide them with justice, and I'm sure the guys in the other boat will tell nothing but the truth .....

I'm not aware of ANY trial case where shooting at an inanimate object has been upheld as proving fear of serious bodily injury or death. The courts seem to feel that if you're truly in fear of death or serious bodily injury, you'll be shooting at the threat, not at something that CANNOT hurt you.
 

basalt51

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Re: anyone else ever get harrassed by drunks on a speed boat?

I'm wondering whether a bullet in the engine would actually stop it. There's not that much to hit. What part would you aim at? How would you ensure that it actually got the job done?

Most handguns aren't going to do jacksh!t to an engine unless you get lucky and hit the distributor or something vital.
 

SuperNova

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Re: anyone else ever get harrassed by drunks on a speed boat?

Seems to me that might be interpreted as as act of piracy and would call for an appropriate response.
 
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