new rectifier, smaaaall charge

MAW31

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got a new rectifier for my 1995 Evinrude 88SPL because the old one tested with one bad diode. (open circuit in both directions)
Its a 3 wire sierra rectifier from iBoats.

batteries with motor off read 11.59 volts. (A/B switch on Both)

motor running with new rectifier, reads only 12.15v at high idle.
Measurement taken at rectifier red wire to motor ground.

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Am i wrong for thinking the voltage should be at least 13-15v?

I dont believe it matters which yellow rectifier wire connects to which yellow stator wire, but would like that confirmed.
 

Vic.S

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

No it does not matter which way you connect the yellows (I understand that some non OEM ones dont even have the blue or grey stripes)..

If your battery was only reading 11.59 it is absolutely flat. (In fact allowing a battery to get that low is seriously detrimental to it.) It is going to take quite some time to get the volts up and not at all surprised that you are only seeing 12.15.

To give this battery any chance of any more useful life I suggest you get it on to a decent mains charger. I dont know the battery capacity is or what current you charger will deliver so cannot suggest for how long but I suggest you monitor it with a hydrometer and charge until all cells show fully charged on that.

Once fully charged let it rest for 12 hours and check the volts. If it not around 12.7 charge some more.

If it is any good it should hold a charge of at least 12.5 for several weeks.

The real test would be to get it professionally done though on a proper battery tester.

Once you have it charged (if it will) try it again with your engine. If all is well you should see the volts quickly rise well above these readings. Possibly up to 16 or even higher
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

outstanding! thank you.

i'll look up what a hydrometer is...^^.

i do have an 'older' charger that has 2 modes, 2 amp trickle, and 6 amp with a meter. I get the feeling i'm just cooking batteries when i hook up the 6amp mode.

i'm guessing a 'mains' is a name-brand or type of charger. I was told that the new chargers have alot more logic built into 'em, but as yet kept my old one cause..well..it still worked.

i'll give 'em an overnight trickle charge.
 

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Give them an over night trickle charge by all means but often modern low maintenance batteries will only respond to a high charge rate. I'd have started off on the 6amp setting for a few hous anyway and then switched down to the 2 amp mode overnight

By "mains" I mean a chager that runs from your domestic, municipal or what ever you call your electricity supply.

Hydrometer an instrument for measuring the specific gravity or density of a liquid http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrometer
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

outstanding! thank you.

i'll look up what a hydrometer is...^^.

i do have an 'older' charger that has 2 modes, 2 amp trickle, and 6 amp with a meter. I get the feeling i'm just cooking batteries when i hook up the 6amp mode.

i'm guessing a 'mains' is a name-brand or type of charger. I was told that the new chargers have alot more logic built into 'em, but as yet kept my old one cause..well..it still worked.

i'll give 'em an overnight trickle charge.

Marine type batteries don't take well to trickle charges:(
You might to just get a simple 5/10 amp charger & use the 10 amp-
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

The charging information you have received is correct. If, after an overnight charge, you check the battery voltage it should read 13.2 Volts. If, after it sits for 24 hours the voltage drops below 12+ volts the battery is probably defective.
A test at your local Automotive supplier may tell you if the battery is good or bad. However I have had that check done and been told that the battery is ok only to find that it is defective.
A bad battery can cause rectifier failure.
If the battery is 2 years old or older the battery could be suspect.
 

MAW31

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

wow..thanks soo much for all your inputs.

both batteries were bought june 09 new.

I had gone out maybe 8 times, and had already charged the batteries twice using my old charger. (once i got home)

i dont know how long i only had half a rectifier but never got stuck, and i made some long open throttle runs.

i'll step up the charger to the 6amp overnight and report on the batteries tomorrow morning.
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

wow..thanks soo much for all your inputs.

both batteries were bought june 09 new.

I had gone out maybe 8 times, and had already charged the batteries twice using my old charger. (once i got home)

i dont know how long i only had half a rectifier but never got stuck, and i made some long open throttle runs.

i'll step up the charger to the 6amp overnight and report on the batteries tomorrow morning.

Your voltage checks indicate that the alternator / rectifier is working. You said you have 11.59 when not running and 12.15 when running, so the charging system is pumping in some amps.

But your batteries are severely discharged. It takes a long time to charge a battery from discharged like that to full charge state. Twice as long if you are attempting to charge both (AB setting). About 12 hours @ 6 amps, depending on battery capacity and how flat it is (each). That is a lot of miles of running to expect the motor to bring them up to full charge.
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

Rather than open up the center console, i put the charger terminals on the motor's starter solenoid overnight at the variable 6amp mode. (the boat backs up to the garage doors)

7:00am. i got 12.49 volts across batteries (tested at the starter-solenoid)

per your instructions, i'll let 'em sit till noon and re-measure the voltage then.

I'm hopeful that the motors charging system will charge above the 12.49v (being that it was only charging at 12.15 before)
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

Rather than open up the center console, i put the charger terminals on the motor's starter solenoid overnight at the variable 6amp mode. (the boat backs up to the garage doors)

7:00am. i got 12.49 volts across batteries (tested at the starter-solenoid)

per your instructions, i'll let 'em sit till noon and re-measure the voltage then.

I'm hopeful that the motors charging system will charge above the 12.49v (being that it was only charging at 12.15 before)

Remember, the motor only puts out 6 amps a full throttle. Only a couple at idle. So it also takes awhile to bring up a battery.
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

its been about a week and i wanted to post a final outcome.

I sat the batteries on the charger (6 amp) for 24 hours, then unplugged and sat em for a day...voltage immed after charging. 12.54. a day later 12.32.

but the great part was the boat run...opened her up and voila! 13, almost 14 volts on the charge! You have no idea HOW HAPPY I was to not worry about whether she was gonna crank over on the next turn of the key...(no more silent worrying)

Thank you all for steering me toward a happy ending.
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

you may also want to test your boats electrical system for any short or other draw on your batteries that may be causing them to discharge while sitting up..some obscure light or piece of electronics..it is best to get a battery switch and turn your batteries off when boat is not in use.or just disconnect the positive terminals.
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

Well your rectifier and charging circuit seem to be OK but at 12.3 volts your batteries are still a good way from fully charged.

Maybe your 6 amp charger is not pushing out as much current as you think. If I were you I would get the batteries back on charge and keep charging until the volts rises to around 14.4 volts and been at that level for a couple of hours and until the voltage is at least 12.6 preferably 12.7 or 12.8 after resting for 12 to 24 hours.
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

thx Sparkie, checking for unanticipated battery draw is always a good idea.

I believe however, that the voltage dip I witnessed is typical in a post-charging situation.
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

Well your rectifier and charging circuit seem to be OK but at 12.3 volts your batteries are still a good way from fully charged.

Maybe your 6 amp charger is not pushing out as much current as you think. If I were you I would get the batteries back on charge and keep charging until the volts rises to around 14.4 volts and been at that level for a couple of hours and until the voltage is at least 12.6 preferably 12.7 or 12.8 after resting for 12 to 24 hours.

Vic is right.
Take a voltage reading while charging the battery on the charger. Leave on charge until you reach 14 volts or higher......
 

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Re: new rectifier, smaaaall charge

A fully charged 12v battery in decent shape should be ~ 12.68 VDC measured at least 1/2 hour after the charger is disconnected or shut off.
 

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A fully charged 12v battery in decent shape should be ~ 12.68 VDC measured at least 1/2 hour after the charger is disconnected or shut off.

That depends on where the battery was purchased. Acid/water ratio determines voltage and batteries for colder climates like Canada are mixed to get typically 12.8 when fully charged. Some batteries spec'd for Alaska & NWT are mixed to get 13 volts.

So its not an exact science.....:)
 

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That's just not chemically or electrically possible, or battery makers would routinely add more H2SO4 (a very cheap substance) to achieve more voltage/power. Unfortunately, a lead/acid battery, fully charged, has an electrolyte SG of 1.265, which translates to a total voltage of ~12.7 volts at fully charged equilibrium. Add more acid and you get lower ionization (and energy). Even when you add distilled water (which short term clearly reduces the SG and voltage) to a nonsealed battery, when charged, the SG will return to 1.265 and the voltage to 12.7 volts. The only way to get a higher equilibrium voltage from a lead acid battery is to add another, seventh cell, which would add ~ 2.12 volts to a nominal 12 v battery, for a total of 14.8 volts. Other battery technologies may behave differntly, however. If there's a source that refutes all this, point me to it.
 

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That's just not chemically or electrically possible, or battery makers would routinely add more H2SO4 (a very cheap substance) to achieve more voltage/power.

Hi wilde1j
OCV voltage is highly dependant on "acid to water" ratio. That's why a battery's voltage declines when the H2SO4 migrates into the plates upon discharge. The reason manufacturers don't add more acid to the mix is because the higher concentration increases internal activity and dissolves the grids and plates earlier in time and longevity is reduced. Since the higher concentration is not required in moderate climates, battery life is kept to a reasonable length with SG of 1.265.
In colder climates, battery efficiency drops dramatically, making cold starts difficult resulting in batteries being lowered in state of charge from the extra engine load and cranking durations. This results in frozen batteries and high warranty returns. Since H2SO4 has a very low freezing point it acts as antifreeze. To reduce freezing and to add better cold weather efficiency, some manufactures increase acid content to the mix.
Some SG is often unreadable on some hydrometers, as their mix in Canada exceeds 1.230 which results in a OCV of 13 volts.
There is a down side to this. If this battery is used in warm climates, its life expectancy is drastically reduced, as I can testify to. We have 60 batteries kept inside for training purposes. We have to replace them once a year due to premature failure. Their SG is not readable on refractometers because it is too high!
I worked in a facility for 8 years that did the warranty for batteries. Batteries average 12.8 volts when fully charged. I remember sending back a crate of batteries which would only reach 12.6 volts fully charged. (fine for the U.S. but not for -50 F)
This is why when you purchase a container of Electrolyte, it always specifies the acid content as its different for cooler climates.
In Canada, we don't use the U.S. charts and grids on OCV vs. SG because they don't go high enough for our applications.
It is very easy to prove this. Discharge a battery, drain the electrolyte, add new electrolyte. Now you have a battery with a higher acid content. Its OCV will be high, its current output will be high........but it won't live long in moderate temperatures.

Now marine batteries are a different breed of cat! Since they are only used in moderate temps, their SG is what you would consider normal. But since we see as many automotive batteries in boats as marine batteries, we have to include both in our discussions.

Cheers....:)
 
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