How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

Hawk78

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A while back I bought a cheap 1982 Wellcraft 23' nova with a merc 260. I had to practiaclly rebuild the pre-alpha drive and do a lot of things to the motor. To make a long story short the boat is kinda of a slug. Seems to top out at 40mph empty with just me and I get to 25-35mph with 4 people and some junk onboard at 4300rpm with a 19p prop. Im sure due to its age the motor needs a tear down and rebuild. I would like to get it up to just under 300hp so as not to blow out the drive on a regular basis. I have a lot of experience building the chev 350 for muscle car applications but never built a boat motor before. I would like intake suggestions, high rise? single plane? dual plane? cam specs? that work the best, switch to a vortec head? This will mostly be a cruising motor running like a 21p prop or something. I want to be able to cruise at 45-50 just below 4000 rpm with 4 people onboard. I know he amazing horsepower the small block is capable of but I do not want to invest in new drives since this will be a budget build. I know there are some experts on here so any advice you have on motor setup would help.
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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

I want to be able to cruise at 45-50 just below 4000 rpm with 4 people onboard.

Ayuh,... That ain't gonna happen....
 

wca_tim

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

Ayuh,... That ain't gonna happen....

not with anything remotely like what you have for a drive and engine.

post your wot rpms, etc... you could be overpropped now based on the way your speed drops so far with 3 more people in it.

you would need several hundred more horespower more in that boat to cruise 50 at 4000 - something like 500++. I'm running about that right now in a light 17 1/2 foot boat with a 400+ horsepower 383 in it... and I've trashed a couple drives. no way around it if you want to go fast, it takes money and cubic inches. assume over 10 hp per mph gain. in many cases more like 12-15. just my experience.
 

45Auto

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

As Mkast, Bond-o and Tim have stated, you're not going to get there with what you have.

My 23' Crownline does exactly what you're looking for, but it has a 425HP 496HO in it.

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According to the GM Marine dyno charts here, it's capable of making over 300 HP from about 3100 RPM and up. Not going to be easy to get that level of performance from a small block.

http://www.gm.com/experience/techno...es/specialized/marine/2010_8100_HP_Marine.pdf

The level of performance you're talking about with your boat would require investing many cubic dollars into your small block (supercharging, etc) as well as a new drive (Bravo or similar). Even then I wouldn't be comfortable with the reliability of such an engine for extended cruising.

Realistically, you should lower your expectations or plan on dropping a bigger engine and drive into your boat.
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

I want to be able to cruise at 45-50 just below 4000 rpm with 4 people onboard.

I know how you could attain that goal for less than $500

buy a light 17' - 18' hull with a trashed merc engine/drive. Throw your setup in it and go.

I'm actually serious.
The only affordable way to get real seat-of-the pants performance on a budget is in a small boat.
 

FreeBeeTony

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

I would agree with most of what has been said..........based on what I have.
My boat weight ~4200lbs.....rebuilt my SBC with Vortec heads/highrise intake/4bbl edelbrock carb......probaby making ~300HP (based on what I have read). I am turning a 17" prop with a 1.5:1 Alpha drive. I can cruise @ 3500RPM doing 30MPH, top speed is ~39MPH @ ~4600RPM. I am very pleased with this performance.........depanding on your hull style, you might not get much better than this (reliably).

Thought this might be useful for comparison purposes........
 

joncrisler

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

I did a sea trial on a 1988 Wellcraft Nova 23' with bottom paint, and a 365hp 454 / Bravo 1 that was reported to be stock. With 2 people and a 1/4 tank of gas, it tested on GPS at 55 mph. It was an exceptionally clean boat with a stainless steel 3 blade of unknown pitch. I passed on it at the time cause I wanted a faster boat (my mistake, I should have gotten that one cause it was cherry)

The Alpha 1 was commonly available with a 330 hp 454, but had a reputation of being a bit fragile: the secrete to drive longevity was only about 80% throttle at take off, and no stupid wave hopping that would shock the drive on reentry.
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

You could probably find a used 454/bravo I outdrive for the cost it would take you to upgrade the Merc 260 enough to reach 50mph in that big/heavy of a boat.
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

The Alpha 1 was commonly available with a 330 hp 454,

Ayuh,... Only a year or 2,.... Just before the Bravo in 90...
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

I know how you could attain that goal for less than $500

buy a light 17' - 18' hull with a trashed merc engine/drive. Throw your setup in it and go.

I'm actually serious.
The only affordable way to get real seat-of-the pants performance on a budget is in a small boat.

that'll get you into the 60's with 300 horse... but not the 70's as it would take to be where he's talking about (unless way over propped and lugging the crap out of the engine). my 383 is in a light 17 1/2 foot boat... note that an alpha ss drive would be worth a few miles an hour as would (possible) a sternjack... and carefully blueprinting the hull (massive pita) worth a few more...

finally, if you want to do it because you enjoy playing with it... by all means go ahead. if you just want a lot faster boat, it's going to be cheaper to just buy a faster boat... especially if you put any value on your time and energy
 

joncrisler

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

Ayuh,... Only a year or 2,.... Just before the Bravo in 90...

You are correct, but the Bravo came out in 1988. I know Alphas could be had with a 454 in 86-87. and possibly 85. I personally have a Velocity 1987 with a 454 and Alpha SS. The Alpha SS is the same basic design as the Alpha, but most of the parts are different: heavier gears, upper housing is shorter, some of the bearings are different, but the u-joint and input shaft assembly is the same. Most of the seals are the same as a regular Alpha, as is the water pump. The lower gearcase is the CLE (crescent leading edge) that was the same found on the racing outboards. Alpha SS's are quite rare and were major theft targets when parts started getting scarce. As soon as the Bravo became available Merc dropped the Alpha SS. The only advantages I can think of favoring an Alpha SS would be a "possibly" more hydrodynamicly efficient gearcase and a higher X dimension- otherwise I think Bravo is all-around better.

The SS was significantly stronger than a regular Alpha, but not nearly as strong as a Bravo. Mine went 1600 hours on a 330 hp 454 until i swaped in a 430 hp 454- and that has lasted another 200 hours (knock on wood).

If you can find a good condition Alpha SS, it makes a nice swap for a regular Alpha if its affordable: the SS upper gearcase bolts directly to the Alpha bellhousing. If the cost is similar you would be better served with a Bravo.
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

Install a 454 or larger.

You could probably find a used 454/bravo I outdrive for the cost it would take you to upgrade the Merc 260 enough to reach 50mph in that big/heavy of a boat.

+1
For what it would cost to trick out the SB to 300+hp, you should be able to get a stock 7.4l plus a Bravo 1. Maybe even a 454MAG. That should get you to around 50mph WOT and 35mph cruise at 3500rpm. If that isn't enough, it's easier to mod a BB to make big power anyway.

FWIW, with my Eclipse 216, 7.4l/Bravo 1, I run 58mph at 4800rpm and cruise at 3200rpm and 38mph. But my boat is probaly 800-900lbs lighter than your Nova.
 

wca_tim

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

You are correct, but the Bravo came out in 1988. I know Alphas could be had with a 454 in 86-87. and possibly 85. I personally have a Velocity 1987 with a 454 and Alpha SS. The Alpha SS is the same basic design as the Alpha, but most of the parts are different: heavier gears, upper housing is shorter, some of the bearings are different, but the u-joint and input shaft assembly is the same. Most of the seals are the same as a regular Alpha, as is the water pump. The lower gearcase is the CLE (crescent leading edge) that was the same found on the racing outboards. Alpha SS's are quite rare and were major theft targets when parts started getting scarce. As soon as the Bravo became available Merc dropped the Alpha SS. The only advantages I can think of favoring an Alpha SS would be a "possibly" more hydrodynamicly efficient gearcase and a higher X dimension- otherwise I think Bravo is all-around better.

The SS was significantly stronger than a regular Alpha, but not nearly as strong as a Bravo. Mine went 1600 hours on a 330 hp 454 until i swaped in a 430 hp 454- and that has lasted another 200 hours (knock on wood).

If you can find a good condition Alpha SS, it makes a nice swap for a regular Alpha if its affordable: the SS upper gearcase bolts directly to the Alpha bellhousing. If the cost is similar you would be better served with a Bravo.

I have passed up on three alpha ss drives this past year and bought one really nice one for what I would consider a reasonable price. the boat handles a good bit better, gives less bow rise and picked up several miles an hour. I expect to get another few mph out of the swap once It's set up with a higher gear ratio.

It's also pretty easy to get a mild 383 or 400 / 406 to make as much or more torque and horsepower than a stock 454, and you get to use a lot of what you already have. the other nice thing in a smaller boat is that every pound of weight costs speed... a bigblock adds more weight. and a bravo drive a little more.

further a bravo drive has a bit more power loss than an alpha and has more wetted surface area. You will probably lose several mph between an alpha and a bravo. of course if you add the power to make it up, the bravo will hold up without gernading... as long as you take care of it (nothing holds together if you let the lube run low, etc...).

the ss lower is probably a little weaker than a standard alpha and you can put the same hd gears in an alpha upper as you can in an alpha ss.

I thought hard about swapping to a bravo on my one boat and decided it was better (and cheaper) to spend the cash to buy an alpha ss when a good one came along than swap out the transom assembly and spend more money on the drive...
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

Assuming that your engine is running on all cylinders, has fairly good compression, timing is correct and fuel system top-notch.... then the best, most cost effective way to go is a stainless prop. Hands down the cheapest horsepower you can buy. keep in mind there are various SST props that will "do" lots of things ie: hole shot, top end speed, etc..... so choose wisely!!
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

Thanks for all the suggestions guys but I really am not into swapping for a bb and a bravo drive. I would at least like to bump the 260 up to 300hp though maybe get myself into the mid 40's if possible. I guess I could use is some prop help, right now I run stainless quicksilver 19p if I get the motor to 300hp and want to try and hit 45 would it be beneficial to go with a 25p prop or is that to drastic? What do you other guys run propwise with a small block and alpha drive?
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

I guess I could use is some prop help, right now I run stainless quicksilver 19p if I get the motor to 300hp and want to try and hit 45 would it be beneficial to go with a 25p prop or is that to drastic? What do you other guys run propwise with a small block and alpha drive?

Ayuh,... Take this to the Prop forum,....
And,...
Read the "Read This 1st" sticky Before you post the question....
 

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Re: How to make a meaner Mercruiser 260?

right now I run stainless quicksilver 19p if I get the motor to 300hp and want to try and hit 45 would it be beneficial to go with a 25p prop or is that to drastic?

Do your motor work, bolt the 19p onto it and take it out and see what kind of RPM you hit. Then you'll have a baseline to make an intelligent prop choice, hopefully you'll only have to buy one new prop. Right now you're only turning 4300 RPM with the 19p, a little more power might make it perfect for the boat.

A little hook or rocker in your hull (wouldn't be surprised in a 27 year old boat), weight distribution, and a ton of other things can make a big difference in prop pitch. Trying to pick a prop BEFORE you do the engine work will most likely have you buying multiple props.
 
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