Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Mark42

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You may have seen a post a little while ago about a 98 Pontiac Firebird V6 Coupe I bought with just 28K on it. Now its up to 34K and I desperately needed a limited slip differential to drive in the snow. So while the LSD is being installed, its a good time to change gear ratios. Seeing as the factory 3.08 gears gave rather sluggish performance, and wanting to make the car a little more spirited to drive, I opted for a set of 3.73's to go with a new Eaton Tracloc differential. The Tracloc is cool because it has no clutches or friction material to wear out like conventional "posi" rears have. Check out this great video on how they work: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lZmsY2YvVsc

Anyway, I got the gears and Trackloc installed by a local trans builder and followed the 500 mile break in period for the gears. I have to admit this came out much better than I imagined. First off, driving in the rain the tires stay planted to the pavement where before, one wheel would always be spinning on take off, especially while turning. And in the snow, now the car can make the incline in my driveway where before it would get stuck half way up and slide back. Driving in the snow is much safer because the car goes when it should and doesn't get stuck spinning a tire on the slightest incline.

On dry days, the car is so much more fun to drive. The engine is running at a higher RPM, so its always in a higher hp range. This allows the car to scoot along with mild throttle, and passing in overdrive is just a slight press of the gas pedal. Downshifting and heavy doses of gas really make the car get up and go. A real thrill compared to before. Feels like another 50 hp were found somewere.

And of course, the obligitory "peal out" is effortless. A quick stab at the gas from a stand still locks up the Eaton and both tires are spinning in a seconds notice. Roll on the throttle and the car grips and accellerates like a scalded cat!

Ordered a "tuned" PCM (computer module) to replace the factory PCM so that the speedometer will be correct (its off by about 21%) and the tune also modifies the fuel and spark curves giving about a 10-14% claimed hp boost on the 3800 v6. This should be here Friday so I'm really looking forward to having the speedo corrected and see what sort of performance increase it affords. They also claim 1-3 mpg improvement depending on performance accessories (exhaust, etc).

I like this change rather than bolting on stuff to the motor to boost the HP. Its just making better use of the available HP without stressing the motor or trans, and I don't have to worry about add on's messing up the emissions for inspection.

So far my MPG has only dropped 1.5 mpg on average, which is a small price to pay for such a performance increase. And it will probably improve as I back off on the jack rabit starts. :)

Next a trans cooler and engine oil cooler and remote filter will be added to keep things cool, and help offset the added wear from running at higher RPM. For example, with the old 3.08 gears 60 mph was at 1900 rpm. Now with the 3.73's 60 mph is at about 2300 rpm. The engine is making 33% more hp at 2300 vs 1900 rpm, giving the expected performance boost right throught the entire RPM range.

This was by far the best "bolt on" modification I've done in a long time!
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Had a dodge diesel 2WD w/ automatic and limited slip. Hated driving it on packed snow or ice because if there was a slight sidehill while trying to get moving the backend would try to pass the front. With the diesel's low end torque it was pretty difficult at times to get moving w/o things getting hairy.
I don't think I want another one. You're welcome to my share of them.
Mike
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Those seem like some really worthwhile mods for that car.
In my experiences driving a 2wd automobile in the snow can be very frustrating having 2 tires spin is always better than 1.
I guess snow tires are a really worthwhile investment as well.
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Those seem like some really worthwhile mods for that car.
In my experiences driving a 2wd automobile in the snow can be very frustrating having 2 tires spin is always better than 1.
I guess snow tires are a really worthwhile investment as well.

It will only see snow when I get caught away from home and it starts snowing. But normally, if snow is forecast, I will work from home and keep the car out of the snow all together. But its better to be prepared, and it also is a great improvement in wet weather driving, and even just parking on damp grass or pulling a small utility trailer.

And it's fun too!

Let my 19 year old drive it this weekend. He couldn't believe that changing gears would make that much difference. He said with a huge smile on his face "that is CRAZY!!!"
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Had a firebird and sold it over the summer,Had a muncie 4 spd,3:96 gear and possi loved it
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

I thought of doing this to my 98 Jeep Grand Cherokee as well...the 4.0 sixes often came with 3.55:1 gears unless they were ordered with the tow package which was 3.73:1. I was considereing going to 4.10:1 and adding Detroit TrueTracs (gear driven limited slip) front and rear...but instead I came across a good deal on one of these with Quadradrive II (full time transfer case...front and rear electronic locking differentials...3.73:1....375 ft lbs of torque...330 Hp). I kept the 98 since it's good for local driving..camping trips and going down to the beach to use the boat...
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Sounds like you are having WAY too much fun with that car Mark....:D
I can see ya smoking tires now....lol!
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

The same 3800 V6 that was used in the Buick Gran National ??? Oh my !
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

I noticed the rear tires are wearing out quickly. Hmmm......
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Man this makes me even more anxious for spring. I have a 96 WS6 that a friend of mine is "Tweaking" for a little more power. He's rebuilt the engine with low compression pistons, added a turbo, front mount air to air intercooler, 90# injectors, line loc, ford 9" rearend and reworked almost every part of the suspension inclusing LS1 spindles on the front so I can get the larger rotors. Mine has a 6-speed and we actually went with a lower gear in the diff so it won't be too off the hook and I won't kill myself. Should be a good time though. :)

Have fun. Those 4th gens are a ton of fun and handle awesome right out of the box.

Brian.
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Man this makes me even more anxious for spring. I have a 96 WS6 that a friend of mine is "Tweaking" for a little more power. He's rebuilt the engine with low compression pistons, added a turbo, front mount air to air intercooler, 90# injectors, line loc, ford 9" rearend and reworked almost every part of the suspension inclusing LS1 spindles on the front so I can get the larger rotors. Mine has a 6-speed and we actually went with a lower gear in the diff so it won't be too off the hook and I won't kill myself. Should be a good time though. :)

Have fun. Those 4th gens are a ton of fun and handle awesome right out of the box.

Brian.

Wow! Thats going to be a rocket! Good choice of numerically lower ratio, a good match to gobs of HP. The 98 and up Birds all had the big brakes, 11.9" w/dual calipers front and 12" with single calipers rear! Awesome stopping power!!! Some cars w/4 wheel disks have a spongy feeling brake pedal, but the Firebird pedal is very firm. GM did a good job of brakes on this car.

I am surprised at how many people ask me if my Firebird is a new car. I guess the styling is rather classic and still appealing after 12 years. And the body is fiberglass (Sheet Molded) or plastic and metal parts are galvanized, so you will rarely find a rusted out 4th gen Firebird/Camaro.
 

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Re: Put gears and LSD in the Firebird. Woo Hoo!

Wow! Thats going to be a rocket! Good choice of numerically lower ratio, a good match to gobs of HP. The 98 and up Birds all had the big brakes, 11.9" w/dual calipers front and 12" with single calipers rear! Awesome stopping power!!! Some cars w/4 wheel disks have a spongy feeling brake pedal, but the Firebird pedal is very firm. GM did a good job of brakes on this car.

I am surprised at how many people ask me if my Firebird is a new car. I guess the styling is rather classic and still appealing after 12 years. And the body is fiberglass (Sheet Molded) or plastic and metal parts are galvanized, so you will rarely find a rusted out 4th gen Firebird/Camaro.


Yeah she's gonna move out alright. And yes the Rubbermaid body panels are nice, especially for us guys in the midwest areas. I did have a chance over the summer to rent one of the new Camaros when my wife and I went to Vegas. It was a V6 but very stout for a 6. Thing I didn't like most was that they chopped the roof on the new ones and it was VERY hard to see out of it. We were looking for homes out there and that definitely was NOT the car for sightseeing. Trying to back out of a parking spot was a joke as you couldn't see AT ALL through the back. The rear glass is tiny and they have huge sail panels. All in all a little nerve-wracking. I'll stay with my 4th Gen, thank you very much. :)
 
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